Definitive Illegal Formation Rules

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01-24-2013
Duskrazor

I ran this formation last season:

aml amc amr
mc mc mc
dl dc dc dr

I figured out it was illegal when my opponent of far less quality was leading possession 80/20, so i threw a striker in there real quick and won.
01-24-2013
Rapyer

Quote:

Originally Posted by scale89

No 4-2-4 is not two wingers! they are wing FORWARDS! different positions in that the wing forwards are more attacking than wingers. for players to be considered "Forwards" they don't have to be Centre forwards, they are different positions within a band such as forwards, defenders. For example in the Centre back position there are normal CB's then there are sweepers who don't necessarily have to be set up behind CB's. similarly in the forward positions there are different types of forwards Target man, wing forwards, second strikers, poachers etc. a wing forward differs to a winger!

just wow
01-25-2013
Razz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kemi

So... any ideas, why this formation is illegal? Away-Team-Manager was watching and Home-Team-Manager not, btw.

http://666kb.com/i/cax7ypndac8g363z3.png

Same formation, no penalty.
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Maybe Benlee4u is correct.
01-25-2013
Razz

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Something is definitely screwy...

EDIT:
After filing a bug report, I looked a little closer.
His keeper, O. Badda is a ST

Kemi, can you check the actual position of the player who was at GK in that game?
01-26-2013
Raykco

I'd like to use a formation that most teams (club and country), used for over fifty years until the mid 1970's, but this game deems it to be an illegal formation. It was 2-3-2-2-1. there were Left Back & Right Back (DL & DR), Left Half, Centre Half & Right Half (DML, DMC & DMR). Inside Left & Inside Right, (MC & MC), Left Wing & Right Wing (AML & AMR), Centre Forward (ST).

But it is illegal because there are only 2 defenders.
01-29-2013
Razz

Kemi, can you check the actual position of the player who was at GK in that game?
02-06-2013
Razz

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Now that i can do some testing again, I set up with a 3-5-1-1 to test the midfielder/opposite field requirements some more
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I'll do some more testing over the next couple days, but this seems to confirm the requirement of at least 4 players on the opponents side of the pitch.

Need testing: (with flankers)
3-3-1-0-3
3-3-0-1-3
5-1-1-0-3
5-1-0-1-3
02-27-2013
Kyroshill

::bump::
02-28-2013
July Fourth

Sticky!!
02-28-2013
suiram1

Question

5-3N-1-1 is this legal or illegal formation?
02-28-2013
Kyroshill

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Just to add to the data.... 2 games from earlier in the season.... opponent played AMC as GK in each game....
Doesn't seem to have engaged -30% penalty....
02-28-2013
Ro Edu

Quote:

Originally Posted by suiram1

Question

5-3N-1-1 is this legal or illegal formation?

-----st-------
----amc------
-mc-mc-mc---
--------------
dl-dc-dc-dc-dr <=== i say it is !

Illegal formation is when you use 2 or more players on wrong position *
* with only 1 player on a wrong position is giving a low penalty as i know :)
03-02-2013
Kyroshill

Theoretical Legal Formation Requirements:

Goalkeeper (Must be player's natural position) <---- Don't think so... see earlier screenies
Some combination of at least 3 defenders (i.e. 3 players anywhere in the back row )
At least 1, but no more than 2, players on EACH outside flank. {the D(L/R), DM(L/R), M(L/R), AM(L/R) slots} <--- watched this happen in-game.... I'd say verified true!
at least 3 midfielders (DM*, M*, AM*) at least one of which has to be in the middle row (MC, ML or MR) *This rule isn't totally confirmed
At least 4 players on the opponents side of the pitch. *This rule isn't totally confirmed <--- I have personally suffered under this rule for 28 painful game minutes while trying to play ultra-defensive!
at least 1 Striker

Just by way of updating and/or adding to the discussion.... :D
03-12-2013
hullabaloo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ro Edu

Illegal formation is when you use 2 or more players on wrong position *
* with only 1 player on a wrong position is giving a low penalty as i know :)

i often play a 4-5-1V but since i have no players on my team that can play naturally as AMR and AML, i use my MR and ML in those AMR/AML positions. I thus have two players out of position. I have had no problems with that.
I have also had a right back injured once so i used a centreback on the right --> 3 players out of position.

I had no problems whatsoever and it was like normal for me possession wise
03-12-2013
hullabaloo

btw, it's not illegal to use a DMR and a DR right? as long as I have no MR or AMR it shut be legal, right?
03-12-2013
dafide

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what is this? I can't see her formation or she's playing with only 6 player?
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03-13-2013
dv8r

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Originally Posted by dafide

what is this? I can't see her formation or she's playing with only 6 player?
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That is an abandoned team.
03-13-2013
Potemy

Quote:

Originally Posted by dafide

what is this? I can't see her formation or she's playing with only 6 player?
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She's playing with 11, but 5 of her starting 11 ran out of contract. I'd hazard a guess at a 4-3-3, possibly 3-4-3.
03-13-2013
dafide

First of all thanks for the answers. therefore can I easily defeat her?
03-13-2013
dv8r

Quote:

Originally Posted by dafide

First of all thanks for the answers. therefore can I easily defeat her?

Yes, she will have a lot of players out of position. I don't think you need to worry about beating her, it will be easy
03-13-2013
dafide

Thanks ;)
03-13-2013
kamillu

Here's an illegal formation, yet it seems to meet all the requirements:
--- ST --- ST ---
------ AC -------
ML -- MC --- MR
------ -- -- DMR
DL -- DC --- DR

I know you was just testing, but what kind of manager would play with a formation like that?

Just use your common sense and football knowledge and you won't have any problems setting up the formations
03-13-2013
dv8r

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamillu

Here's an illegal formation, yet it seems to meet all the requirements:
--- ST --- ST ---
------ AC -------
ML -- MC --- MR
------ -- -- DMR
DL -- DC --- DR

I know you was just testing, but what kind of manager would play with a formation like that?

Just use your common sense and football knowledge and you won't have any problems setting up the formations

A clueless manager. One who just plays the game with no football knowledge. Trust me, there are a few who I have played that have stupid formations
03-13-2013
kamillu

HAHA, I am trying to think how a real life team would play with that kind of formation. :)

all other things listed makes sense to me. (a team either plays with DR/DMR or MR/AMR if any)
03-13-2013
Potemy

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamillu

Here's an illegal formation, yet it seems to meet all the requirements:
--- ST --- ST ---
------ AC -------
ML -- MC --- MR
------ -- -- DMR
DL -- DC --- DR

I know you was just testing, but what kind of manager would play with a formation like that?

Just use your common sense and football knowledge and you won't have any problems setting up the formations

What do you mean it seems to meet all the requirements? You don't know why the formation is illegal? You sound like you think it should be legal.
03-13-2013
kamillu

I didn't write the first bit, it was written some way ago..

I just mentioned that it does not make sense to play with that kind of formation, just use your common sense and you won't have any trouble setting the formation.
03-13-2013
Potemy

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamillu

I didn't write the first bit, it was written some way ago..

I just mentioned that it does not make sense to play with that kind of formation, just use your common sense and you won't have any trouble setting the formation.

Oh alright. You should have left it in the quote bubble or something. ;)

You'll be surprised what people come up with, though.
03-13-2013
Fenwick

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I want to know if my formation it's illegal or no ?
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03-14-2013
Potemy

I think it's legal, but very odd.
03-14-2013
Ayman

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is this one legal ?

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03-14-2013
Fenwick

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Originally Posted by Potemy

I think it's legal, but very odd.

Yes but i have 5 injuries..

And Ayman , your formation is illegal , you have just one middle player and you could have 3
03-14-2013
dv8r

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenwick

Yes but i have 5 injuries..

And Ayman , your formation is illegal , you have just one middle player and you could have 3

No, it's not illegal. I have used that formation before without any problems
03-14-2013
hullabaloo

what about using two DM next to each other?

or using to AMC next to each other behind two strikers?
03-14-2013
dv8r

Quote:

Originally Posted by hullabaloo

what about using two DM next to each other?

or using to AMC next to each other behind two strikers?

I have never seen 2 AMC behind 2 strikers but it doesn't sound like an illegal formation
03-14-2013
Potemy

Quote:

Originally Posted by hullabaloo

what about using two DM next to each other?

or using to AMC next to each other behind two strikers?

Legal, but you'll also have to look at other parts of the formation.
03-15-2013
Razz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenwick

I want to know if my formation it's illegal or no ?
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No. GK must be a natural GK
03-16-2013
bobdylan

I was hoping to run with
DC. DC.
DMR. DML
MC MC MC
AMR. AML.
FC

So I'm guessing it's illegal due to the two DC's ? That's lame
03-16-2013
funky

how about that its illegal or not?

http://i48.tinypic.com/2z3tgmb.jpg
03-16-2013
Potemy

Legal. :)
03-16-2013
kamillu

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Originally Posted by funky

how about that its illegal or not?

http://i48.tinypic.com/2z3tgmb.jpg

surely legal :)

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