Let's discuss 5-3-2

In my short Topeleven career, there is only one formation that annoys me the most as I have a 0% win rate against this.

5-3-2

It's like a bane of my club's existence.

In Season 3, Level 3, this formation steamrolled the league with a 25-1-0 record, scoring over 100 goals. I met him twice that season and lost 4-1, 0-4, using 4-5-1 & 3-5-2.

This season, I was knocked out of the cup by this formation (Level 7 vs my Level 5 but similar squad strength). Despite dominating - having 70% possession in both legs, he still matched my total shots/on target, and scored 2 goals in each leg.

I was knocked out 4-1 on aggregate.

1st leg defensive 4-2-2-2 using ML, AMR, MC, AMC, lost 2-0, final possession 63% to me, but he created more chances (?)
2nd leg normal 3-4-1-2, lost 1-2, final possession 69% to me, matched my chances created (??)

Anyone else annoyed with this formation or had some success against it?

theory says for winning you need to counter opp's team with more players in the center. but not a wild bunch.

i suggest you try with 3N-4-1-2 normal, mixed, own side pressing, no arrows.

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Yup thats what I used in my cup loss

More interested in discussing this formation and why it's giving some ppl like me headaches.

im always use 3-1-4-2 haven't lost anything for my level team, im lvl 3

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Originally Posted by Grybas Miskinis

im always use 3-1-4-2 haven't lost anything for my level team, im lvl 3

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Have you encountered 5-3-2 of a similar squad rating?

5-3n-2 is a very powerful formation as it is strong in the defense and fairly strong down the middle. My ideas to counter this formation would be to try 4-3n-2w-1, 3n-3n-2w-2 and 3-2-2-2-1 butterfly. 3-2-2-2-1 butterfly has helped me against flat formations before.

orders:
4-3n-2w-1 - attacking, down both flanks, mixed, hard tackling, zonal, own half, no counter, yes offside trap considering your against a flat formation. red arrows on AML/R and ST.
3-2-2-2-1 butterfly - attacking, down both flanks, short passing, zonal, own half/whole pitch, hard tackling, no counter, no offside. red arrows on AML/R and ST.
3n-3n-2w-2 - attacking, down both flanks, mixed passing, zonal, own half, hard tackling, no counter, yes offside, red arrows on AML/R and STs

just some suggestions, good luck.

Yes I agree it is very strong in defense, fairly strong in midfield, but to be able to kill off chances, one would need very good MCs to make this work.

I have tried 3n-3n-2w-2 before and got hammered 4-0, also 4-3n-2w-1 was a 4-1 loss (highlighted this in my first post), so I am skeptical about setting attack mentality when going against 5-3-2. I am sure we all know the only way 5-3-2 works is by counterattacking.

I used 5-3-2 once just to experiment and annihilated my league leader in level 3, whose squad was about 7 ratings above mine.

The butterfly is probably a good bet so maybe I will keep that in mind if I ever come across 5-3-2 ever again (I hope not!)

Would love to hear from others about experiences using/going against 5-3-2. This is not only meant to be a thread to ask for counter for 5-3-2 but a discussion about failures and successes against 5-3-2. So do share!

have you tried 4-3n-1-2 against 5-3n-2? that could maybe work. or 4-3n-3

That season when the 5-3-2 guy went unbeaten he went against a title rival who usrd 4-3-1-2 n beat him 1-0, 2-1. 4-3-3 also lost out. The only formation that gave him problems was 4-4-2 classic. Drew 2-2 away

I personally use 532. It's one of my favorite counter attack formation.

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Originally Posted by Mikedunga

3n-3n-2w-2 - attacking, down both flanks, mixed passing, zonal, own half, hard tackling, no counter, yes offside, red arrows on AML/R and STs

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I like this formation to counter the 5-3-2. I would change the marking from Zonal to M2M. If away, I'd also go to normal tackling.

I use 4-4-2 a couple of times and all end up losing team :( this formation is really frustrating :S

I'm going to try 3-4-1-2 next match against 5-3-2...wish me luck


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Originally Posted by shakiraa

I use 4-4-2 a couple of times and all end up losing team :( this formation is really frustrating :S

I'm going to try 3-4-1-2 next match against 5-3-2...wish me luck


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I usually don't lose with the 4-4-2 formation, mby because i play normal game with mixed attacking sides, mixed passing, zonal chasing and all players have equal skill build (Attacking, Defending, Physical).

Yesterday I beat 532. Up to 60 min I play 4222 hex and I lost the goal. After that I change for 3142 with normal, mixed passing and mixed style passing. Also whole pitch pressing and hard tackling and couter attack. Red arrows on MR and ML and blue on DMC. I won 2:1. We have almost same level quality.

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Originally Posted by TheAdix

Yesterday I beat 532. Up to 60 min I play 4222 hex and I lost the goal. After that I change for 3142 with normal, mixed passing and mixed style passing. Also whole pitch pressing and hard tackling and couter attack. Red arrows on MR and ML and blue on DMC. I won 2:1. We have almost same level quality.

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Hi, thanks for the sharing..Any reason why u use DMC? Since the opponent do not have AMC...thanks!


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Originally Posted by shakiraa

Hi, thanks for the sharing..Any reason why u use DMC? Since the opponent do not have AMC...thanks!

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Just coz I have quite strong DMC. And 3142 is my basic tactic which I using every match. In this game I try change something and almost loose the game.

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Originally Posted by TheAdix

Just coz I have quite strong DMC. And 3142 is my basic tactic which I using every match. In this game I try change something and almost loose the game.

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Allright. I used 5-3-1-1 today and got an away draw...conceded last minute. Will verified this again in 2nd leg.



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Anyone managed to beat this monster formation recently, its owning up my league in this season and last, i had mixed results using 3-4-1-2 and 3n-1-3w-1-2 actually exactly 2 wins 2 draws and 2 losses. Any ideas? I'm the best team in my league (lvl21) and i can put out right about any formation. Sofar i think i will again be using 3n-1-3w-1-2 normal/mixed/own/hard/zonal yes counter/no offside.

Any input appreciated!

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Originally Posted by Qambu Yaasi

In my short Topeleven career, there is only one formation that annoys me the most as I have a 0% win rate against this.

5-3-2

It's like a bane of my club's existence.

In Season 3, Level 3, this formation steamrolled the league with a 25-1-0 record, scoring over 100 goals. I met him twice that season and lost 4-1, 0-4, using 4-5-1 & 3-5-2.

This season, I was knocked out of the cup by this formation (Level 7 vs my Level 5 but similar squad strength). Despite dominating - having 70% possession in both legs, he still matched my total shots/on target, and scored 2 goals in each leg.

I was knocked out 4-1 on aggregate.

1st leg defensive 4-2-2-2 using ML, AMR, MC, AMC, lost 2-0, final possession 63% to me, but he created more chances (?)
2nd leg normal 3-4-1-2, lost 1-2, final possession 69% to me, matched my chances created (??)

Anyone else annoyed with this formation or had some success against it?

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What about 3N-3N-2W-2? I'm always beating 5-3-2 with this formation. Even won CL final to a better opponent.

hello had match against 5-3-2 team in playoff cup round
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and ive used this formation which worked quite good
(tacts - hard defend , thru middle , tackling hard , passing mixed , marking zonal , counter / offside yes )

1st match away
possession 54:46
shots on target 10:6
score 2:1
so win for me .... could be even higher win if and didnt hit bar 2 times

2d match home
possession 55:45
shots on target 10:3
score 1:0
lucky win for me .... goal in 90th min

qualities 38 me / 44,9 him
ive attended both matches he dont

Hello,

I resurrected the topic from the deep for see if anyone can help me to beat this formation, which I cann't defeat with my current players.

Probably I'll try 3-3-2W-2, but with players out of position since I do not have no AML / AMR or ML / Mr (my mainly weakness in this club, I cann't sign anything decent, today the market sucked) .