How to Win Against Any Formation?

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Originally Posted by dv8r

4-3-2-1

------ST-----
AML--------AMR
---MC-MC-MC
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DL-DC---DC--DR

Mentalty: Normal/Attacking (depending who is stronger)
Passing focus: Down both flanks
Passing style: Mixed
Tackling: Normal
Marking: Zonal
Pressing: Full pitch
Counter: OFF
Offside trap: ON (OFF if your defenders are slower than your opponents strikers)

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Thanks 5:1 win :)

How to beat 3-1-5-1, formation looks like this:

-------ST-------
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ML-MC-MC-MC-MR
-------DMC------
DL-----DC-----DR

Hello,All) i will have today a match vs

______________ST_________________ST____________

____ML_______MC_________MC_____________MR______

__________________________DMC___________________
______DL__________DC_____________DC_____________

whitch formation i have to use for win?

Hi all,i need help against this formation

______ ST______

ML___ MC___ MR

___DMC__DMC

DL__DC__DC__DR


Thank you =)

Hi guys, it's my second season in top eleven. First season i won both cup and ligue. This season i'm leading my league with 6-0-0
In cup i will face one level 7 player in 4-5-1 V style:

ST
AML AMR
MC MC
DMC
DL DC DC DR

i'm pretty pissed because i will face a guy with 5 levels more than me... but that's the way it is.
So i came to ask some advices, i read a lot of stuff here before to come to ask your minds.
In one very interesting tutorial one guy (ADEL GAMAL) is telling that against 4-5-1 it's nice to use 3-5-2 and few lines later he's also telling totally opposite :"against 3-5-2 it's good to use 4-5-1...." LOL

WHAT TO DO? How to win against this f****** 4-5-1??? Usually i'm playing in 4-1-2-1-2 diamond but this Formation is very weak on the wings... Need some help ;)

I've been seeing this formation alot recently (used it, succesfully, myself), but I don't see a good counter to it posted on here. It's basically a 3-5-2 V style.
---DC--DC--DC---
-------DMC-------
----MC----MC----
AMR---------AMR
----ST-----ST----
Does anyone know how to counter this?

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Originally Posted by fedja

Hi guys, it's my second season in top eleven. First season i won both cup and ligue. This season i'm leading my league with 6-0-0
In cup i will face one level 7 player in 4-5-1 V style:

ST
AML AMR
MC MC
DMC
DL DC DC DR

i'm pretty pissed because i will face a guy with 5 levels more than me... but that's the way it is.
So i came to ask some advices, i read a lot of stuff here before to come to ask your minds.
In one very interesting tutorial one guy (ADEL GAMAL) is telling that against 4-5-1 it's nice to use 3-5-2 and few lines later he's also telling totally opposite :"against 3-5-2 it's good to use 4-5-1...." LOL

WHAT TO DO? How to win against this f****** 4-5-1??? Usually i'm playing in 4-1-2-1-2 diamond but this Formation is very weak on the wings... Need some help ;)

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Your opponent is using a 4-5-1 'V' formation which is covered at the beginning of this thread.

Hi CIBlue, i know and that's exactly what i told... In this thread the guy is telling totally incomprehensible things:
use 3-5-2 against 4-5-1 and then he tell use 4-5-1 against 3-5-2... illogical...

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Originally Posted by Adel Gamal

This a very important topic and always all managers in top eleven used to discus in; so because most of managers here didn't add any topics related to this topic idea, I wanted to add an old topic as in the old forum of top eleven and try to discus here in expansion and details.

Also trying to find different formations and their strengths and weaknesses so let's begin :)

Part 1

4-4-2

4-4-2 is not a very strong formation on the game; it rules the midfield and defense but offers very little going forward.

To win against this classic formation and beat it you need to keep the midfield whilst being strong in attack, what I’d recommend is a 4-5-1 V formation with attacking arrows on the DMC to effectively turn him to a MC when you are attacking.

-------------ST---------------
AML---------------------AMR
---------MC-------MC---------
-------------DMC (UP)---------
DL---- ----DC--DC---------DR

If you are losing add arrows to both sets of wingers to give you an extra edge.

Orders:
Mentality: Depends how many you want to win by, go for an attacking against weaker teams and vice verse for stronger.
Passing: Mixed
Pressing: Own half without offside trap, full pitch with fast defenders and offside trap.
The others do not really matter, just make sure your opponent has no AM when you do the offside or counter attack.

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4-3-3

This formation has a fatal flaw in the form of not having any wingers. To beat it, exploit this major weakness by focusing your attack on the flanks while defending your middle. Here's a few examples of formations that do exactly that:

3-1-3-2-1
----------ST----------
AML--------------AMR
----MC--MC--MC----
---------DMC---------
----DC--DC--DC-----

4-1-4-1
----------------ST--------------
---------------------------------
ML (UP)--MC----MC----MR (UP)
--------------DMC (UP)-------
DL (UP)--DC--DC------DR (UP)

3-3-2-2
--------ST----ST-----
AML--------------AMR
----MC--MC--MC----
-----------------------
----DC--DC--DC----

The exact formation is up to you, but keep this in mind:

a) Always attack the flanks with either ML/MR with red arrows or AML/AMR
b)Use at least 2 DC's
c)Use at least 2 MC's
d)The combined number of your Defenders+DMC's+MC's must be 6 or higher.
e) MC's+ML/MR must be 4 or higher.

Tactics against 4-3-3.

4-3-3 is an attacking formation, so you can either play offside trap with very fast defenders while pressing the whole pitch, or a more defensive counter-attacking way while pressing your own half.

Most formations able to easily beat 4-3-3 will be heavy in the midfield, as such, use short passing if playing offensively and mixed passing when trying to counter attack.

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3-4-3

This midfield based attacking formation can prove devastating if left unchecked. Luckily you can use the formation's momentum against it with counter attacks down the flanks or exploit the lack of DMC's or DML/DMR's to counter any AMC's or AML/AMR's of your own.

At any rate, when playing against 3-4-3 you should have more midfielders than the opponent, this can be achieved in many ways, some of which are explained below.

Defending and counter-attacking examples:
This work well with defensive or normal mentality, pressing your own half with mixed passing and force counter.

3-2-2-2-1 ( 5-2-2-1)
---------ST---------
AML------------AMR
-----MC-----MC----
DML------------DMR
----DC--DC--DC----

Motivated 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1)
---------ST----ST---------
-----------------------------
ML(UP)--MC--MC--MR(UP)
----------------------------
DL(UP)--DC--DC--DR(UP)

3-5-1-1
-----------ST-----------
----------AMC----------
ML--MC--MC--MC--MR
-------------------------
-----DC---DC---DC-----

Attacking formation examples:
This work well with attacking mentality, pressing the whole pitch and short passing.

4-3-2-1 Christamas tree
----------ST---------
-----AMC---AMC----
ML------MC-------MR
---------------------
DL----DC--DC----DR

4-3-2-1
---------ST----------
AML------------AMR
----MC--MC--MC---
----------------------
DL----DC--DC----DR

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3-5-2

3-5-2 has a few weaknesses, mainly; it's lack of punch and weak wing defence. 5 midfielders mean a solid ball control, don't expect to dominate the match, but since there aren't any attacking midfielders, you can just as easily block their advance.

While there are many ways to defeat 3-5-2, I'll explain 2 formations that will allow you to better understand the mechanics of how this can be done.

4-5-1 V-style (motivated)
An awesomely versatile formation that combined with a few arrows can be either attacking or defensive. In this case, you want to force an attack through the wings, so...

-------------ST---------------
AML---------------------AMR
---------MC-------MC---------
-------------DMC (UP)---------
DL (UP)----DC--DC----DR (UP

Motivated DL and DR's block movement from the opponents ML and MR's while also feeding passes to your AML and AMR. The 2 MC and motivated DMC block any centre movement.
On the attack your formation will effectively be:

-----------ST------------
AML-----------------AMR
------MC--MC--MC-----
DML----------------DMR
----------DC--DC--------

That gives you 5 midfielders to block the opponent's 5, and you have 2 attacking midfielders which have open access since he doesn't have wing backs or fullbacks. On the defense, your formation will return to the basic 4-5-1 and still give you a solid coverage.

Mentality: Usually normal, but I recommend going defensive with hard tackling if the opponent's team is better, and attacking if the opposite.
Force counter: Yes
Passing: mixed, through both flanks
Pressing: own half
Zonal marking

3-1-4-1-1

The main strong point of 3-5-2 is, obviously, a very hard to beat midfield. Fight fire with fire and use 6 midfielders against it. All while exploiting the lack of a DMC to counter an AMC.
--------ST--------
-------AMC-------
ML--MC--MC--MR
-------DMC-------
---DC--DC--DC---

This midfield heavy weight needs short passing in order to work so force counter doesn't work very well with it. Instead, with fast DC's, it can be used playing offside trap if you press the whole pitch. With normal or slow defenders, it's better to neither play offside trap or force counter and just press your own half.

Mentality: Normal
Passing: Mixed short passes
Pressing: Either whole half with offside trap or own half without it.
Marking: Zonal

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4-5-1
I haven't faced 4-5-1 flat often, but when I did I used the formation 3-5-2.

3-5-2 against the 4-5-1 flat would be best used with long passing with zonal marking. Attacking tactics should be focused on long balls. This requires a forward with good pace and speed.

4-5-1 is similar to the 4-5-1 V Style... 3-5-2 is also effective against the V style.

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5-3-2
How To Beat 5-3-2...
Hi, i wanted to help my friend ,Sam with this special thread.....Here we go...When you play against 5-3-2 you should use the a very attacking system like 3-1-3-1-2 (wide) and put red arrows on you dmc and red arrows on your 2 strikers ,on the one atm and red arrows on your two winger(left and right)...also good idea will be to switch you team mentality to hard attacking(well..based on you opponent's players level) also id wan to beat 5-3-1 you should switch your pressing style to ''whole pitch''as you opponent with 5-3-2...will play defensive game football...also you should you switch you passing style to '' mixed passes'' because the opponent will have a lot of DC/...so you should try to play with long balls and short passes...oh...and something final..try to hit him from the flanks.

--------ST------ST---------
------------AMC-------------
ML---------MC------------MR
------------DMC---------------
-------DC--DC--DC-------------

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4-5-1 V Style

4-5-1 V-style is one of the most versatile formations. It can easily become defensive or offensive with the change of a few arrows. A great jack of all trades, but it's lack of defensive wingers can be exploited.

When playing against 4-5-1 V, you need to protect your flanks and attack the opponent's. Forget about attacking the middle, it's that simple. Keep in mind that 4-5-1 V-style is most often played with counter-attacking orders, so you don't want to overdo your attacks. Use normal or defensive mentality and press your own half.

As always, when playing against a midfield formation, you need to have at least as many midfielders as the opponent.

Here's a few examples:

4-3-2-1

This is 4-5-1 V-style's brother. It takes advantage of not using a DMC who won't be blocking an nonexistent AMC and vice verse. This translates into a more powerful midfield to feed passes to the forward players.

--------------ST-------------
AML-------------------AMR
------MC----MC----MC----
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DL(UP)--DC--DC---DR(UP)

Motivated 4-5-1 flat.

While an unmotivated 4-5-1 flat would probably succumb to a 4-5-1 V-style, you can take advantage of that and make the opponent underestimate you. He'll probably realize that his flanks are under constant attack after a few goals.

----------------ST------------------
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ML(UP)--MC--MC--MC--MR(UP)
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DL(UP)-----DC---DC-----DR(UP)

3-2-2-2-1

While you don't need more than 1 or 2 DC's against 4-5-1 V, you don't want to use an illegal formation. The extra DC acts as a sweeper, DML/DMR block the attacks from the flanks, and AML/AMR attack the soft flanks.

----------------ST---------------
AML------------------------AMR
-----------MC-----MC-----------
DML------------------------DMR
----DC(UP)DC(DOWN)DC(UP)-

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my friend...you play another game...352 does`nt play no one because is so week...what you describe here is patetic......

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Originally Posted by fedja

Hi CIBlue, i know and that's exactly what i told... In this thread the guy is telling totally incomprehensible things:
use 3-5-2 against 4-5-1 and then he tell use 4-5-1 against 3-5-2... illogical...

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I have used Adel's tactics on this thread and it has won me many trophies...

Use this anyway... Butterfly formation

You won't have much chance against level 7 when you are level 2 but this is the best tactics to try to draw or keep the scoring low.

------------ST-------------
AML-------------------AMR
------MC--------MC----
DML------------------DMR
------DC--DC--DC-------

Mentality: Hard defensive
Passing Focus: Down both flanks
Passing style: Mixed
Pressing: Own half
Tackling: Hard
Marking: Zonal
Counter: ON
Offside trap: OFF

this is a game...is not real....does`nt matter what you play against ....the game maker in f...g american....he doesn`t know nothing about tactics....you borring us

So baronasul, what do you think about 4-5-1? Which formation to use against it?

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Originally Posted by baronasul

this is a game...is not real....does`nt matter what you play against ....the game maker in f...g american....he doesn`t know nothing about tactics....you borring us

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Serbian. Not American.

Baronasul the game maker is Serbian in fact and they care about tactics! lol

Fedja, look at my post... Just above, it shows how to counter 4-5-1 V

Thank you dv8r i just saw your answer

i think noone is using formation like me so help ppl beat me cause they just cant do it-joking,but i have only 1 lose these year and its cause of fking bug 80-20 possesion against 1st lvl,btw im 5lvl,but nvm,my formation is:* means UP
ST*-ST*-ST*
AMC*
MC*
DMC
DL-DC-DC-DR
GK

Tactics:
Mentality:Hard attacking
focus pass:mixed
pressing:full pitch
tackling:normal
passing style:mixed
marking:man on man
focus counter att:yes
offside trap:no

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Originally Posted by matena

i think noone is using formation like me so help ppl beat me cause they just cant do it-joking,but i have only 1 lose these year and its cause of fking bug 80-20 possesion against 1st lvl,btw im 5lvl,but nvm,my formation is:* means UP
ST*-ST*-ST*
AMC*
MC*
DMC
DL-DC-DC-DR
GK

Tactics:
Mentality:Hard attacking
focus pass:mixed
pressing:full pitch
tackling:normal
passing style:mixed
marking:man on man
focus counter att:yes
offside trap:no

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Use offside trap if you press full pitch... Or use force counter with pressing own half

Also, man-on-man marking will tire your players more. As opposed to zonal

but i win

dv8r Just one more precision, i don't have real AMR and AML i will need to use MC and they won't be at their natural position, is it a big deal?

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Originally Posted by fedja

dv8r Just one more precision, i don't have real AMR and AML i will need to use MC and they won't be at their natural position, is it a big deal?

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It may be.. I'd only play ML in AML but maybe not MC. You could play ML in AML and MR in AMR but with blue arrows

Unfortunately i don't have any MR/ML AMR/AML... I'm playing with 4-1-2-1-2 diamond so i don't have any corridor players.
I just saw that my opponent's formation is very weird, he's using a GK as MC, DL as GK, MC as DR, MC as DMC, DC as AML...
It's very confusing, what he's trying to do? lol

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Originally Posted by maroboro

Hi all,i need help against this formation

______ ST______

ML___ MC___ MR

___DMC__DMC

DL__DC__DC__DR


Thank you =)

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Can anybody please tell me how to beat this formation?thank you

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Originally Posted by fedja

Unfortunately i don't have anu MR/ML AMR/AML... I'm playing with 4-1-2-1-2 diamond so i don't have any corridor players.
I just saw that my opponent's formation is very weird, he's using a GK as MC, DL as GK, MC as DR, MC as DMC, DC as AML...
It's very confusing, what he's trying to do? lol

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Looks like an abandoned team... You can play MC in AML/AMR then. His out of position players in defence and goal will not be able to cope.. You could actually beat this guy.

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Originally Posted by dv8r

Looks like an abandoned team... You can play MC in AML/AMR then. His out of position players in defence and goal will not be able to cope.. You could actually beat this guy.

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I hope, cup gives a lot of monney and i seriously need some...
Now i'm thinking about to use my old formation 4-1-2-1-2 if almost all of his players are out of position it could work.

So, match finished victory 6:0 LOL against lvl7 i'm lvl2
formation used 3-5-2
ST ST
AMC
MC MC
DMR DML
DC DC DC
GK

hi adel, im a bit confused with ur explanation between 4-5-1 and 3-5-2. u said 3-5-2 can be countered by 4-5-1v, but in 4-5-1 u said can be countered with 3-5-2. so the formations counter each other? thx :)

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Originally Posted by fedja

I hope, cup gives a lot of monney and i seriously need some...
Now i'm thinking about to use my old formation 4-1-2-1-2 if almost all of his players are out of position it could work.

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You can check the prize money for each round of the Cup.

How do I beat 4-2-1-3?

----ST---ST---ST----
--------AMC---------
----MC-------MC----
---------------------
DL---DC-----DC----DR

He has a team of 4* and 5* and I only narrowly beat him 2-1 last time and it could easily have been 2-2... Which is the best formation to counter it? CL match. I tried using a 4-5-1 V but that didn't work too well.

Is your team fully 5* or what? I would try 3-2-2-2-1, butterfly if you want to attack down the wings, and all narrow except DL and DR if you want to attack through the middle.

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Originally Posted by Potemy

Is your team fully 5* or what? I would try 3-2-2-2-1, butterfly if you want to attack down the wings, and all narrow except DL and DR if you want to attack through the middle.

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I have a scout squad but I needed a penalty and a free kick to win the game last time. Rest of the game was just him attacking and they almost drew the game.

Thanks :) I'll try it!

Hi all,
I need help to defeat this defensive formation,

______ ST______

ML___ MC___ MR

___DMC__DMC

DL__DC__DC__DR

now i'm playing 4-5-1 V and 3-1-3-1-2..please help me..thank u

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Originally Posted by dv8r

I have a scout squad but I needed a penalty and a free kick to win the game last time. Rest of the game was just him attacking and they almost drew the game.

Thanks :) I'll try it!

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My suggestion is that whichever formation you choose, red arrows on AMs, attacking mentality, own half pressure, zonal marking and no counters, no offside traps. If you use the narrow formation, you can have blue arrows on DMs, pass through the middle and short passing. If you use butterfly, I would put blue arrows on the MCs, pass down both flanks, or one flank if you think it's weaker, and mixed passing. Tackling is up to you. :)

Only my suggestion, of course, you are free to choose your own tactics.

hi i have to win this formation

---ST---ST---
AML-------AMR
---MC--MC-----
DR-DC-DC-DL


Could u help me plz ,


I am playing with this formation

------ST----
AML-------AMR
--MC-MC(Down)-MC--
DR-DC-DC-DL

I couldn't find a post that helped me, so here i ask:

What is your suggestion against this tactic?

----ST--ST----
------AM------
LM----CM----RM
------DM------
LB----CD----RB

Please help :)

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Originally Posted by Potemy

My suggestion is that whichever formation you choose, red arrows on AMs, attacking mentality, own half pressure, zonal marking and no counters, no offside traps. If you use the narrow formation, you can have blue arrows on DMs, pass through the middle and short passing. If you use butterfly, I would put blue arrows on the MCs, pass down both flanks, or one flank if you think it's weaker, and mixed passing. Tackling is up to you. :)

Only my suggestion, of course, you are free to choose your own tactics.

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4-0 win thanks :) Was only 1-0 at HT but then added arrows to AML and AMR and then we scored 3 more

What would be my best option against this guys setup ?

View image: histeam

This is my team and current setup:

View image: myteam

I've been seeing this formation alot recently (used it, succesfully, myself), but I don't see a good counter to it posted on here. It's basically a 3-5-2 V style.
---DC--DC--DC---
-------DMC-------
----MC----MC----
AMR---------AMR
----ST-----ST----
Does anyone know how to counter this?

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Originally Posted by CIBlue

I've been seeing this formation alot recently (used it, succesfully, myself), but I don't see a good counter to it posted on here. It's basically a 3-5-2 V style.
---DC--DC--DC---
-------DMC-------
----MC----MC----
AMR---------AMR
----ST-----ST----
Does anyone know how to counter this?

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I want to counter this formation too as I'm playing it in a few days... I'm thinking butterfly formation but I'm not 100% confident that it can counter it. Any follow up comments are appreciated :)

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Originally Posted by CIBlue

I've been seeing this formation alot recently (used it, succesfully, myself), but I don't see a good counter to it posted on here. It's basically a 3-5-2 V style.
---DC--DC--DC---
-------DMC-------
----MC----MC----
AMR---------AMR
----ST-----ST----
Does anyone know how to counter this?

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dr dc dc dl
mc mc mc
amr aml
st
both flanks, long passing, no counter no offside, own half. cmiiw :)
mentality based ur opponent and halftime result