Tough formations to crack

[DoctorRedDevil]

Hello everyone! I have a question.
For the last two weeks I've been using a 4-5-1 V-style formation and it has served me incredibly well. From 10th positon in mid-season, when I thought about tanking, I finished 2nd, only 4 points below the champion. In this new league season which is even more competitive, it is serving me well too. But there has been one or two formations that I find incredibly hard to counter, even though the opponents that used it have a lot less quality than mine.
The first is a 4-2DMC-3MC-2ST formation. Weird looking formation, average players, but I failed to trouble them once in the entire match. The other one is a formation that I saw before but never played against it. It is
---ST---ST----
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ML-MC--MC-MR
-----DMC------
DL-DC--DC--DR
I fear it, especially because one of my league opponents using this one has very high quality.
Can somebody give me any sort of advice, like which formation should I use under these circumstances? I have excellent players for almost every position. If a picture of my team is needed, do tell...

[Kylos]

Bud, that would be illegal as its 12 players with the keeper... Maybe you mean 4-1-4-1?

[DoctorRedDevil]

He has two strikers, but instead of a classic four man defense it is a 3 DC defense
---ST---ST---
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ML-MC-MC-MR
-----DMC-----
--DC-DC-DC--
-----GK------
Typing mistake

[RJSlow]

4-3n-2w-1 for the first one
4-2-2-2 hex against the second one

[CaribeanTaurus]

Whats the tactis you using on your 451 v style ive had mix results with mine..

[DoctorRedDevil]

Whats the tactis you using on your 451 v style ive had mix results with mine..

Attacking, Long passing, focus mixed, normal tackling, zonal marking... lost 3 times in a little bit less than 30 matches I believe...

[t11_fan]

I use both 4141 and 3n-1-4-2 (or even 3n-1-4-1-1 sometimes). I think 4141 is good formation and though to beat. I use 3n-1-4-2 against 4 defence formations with narrow mildfield expect hexagon because I've never played against hexagon.