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Hi, I had recently many problems in finding a good formation against 4-3N-3.
I used to chose 4-1-4-1 and attacked over the wings. Somehow the formation does not work anymore for my team; against equal quality teams I lost this season and against weaker opponents I got no safisfying results. Moral and marks of my players are ok, even in these games with 7 or 8, so I think it must be a tactical reason.
Has anyone made similar experiences or even better find a good formation vs. the 4-3N-3?
I tried something myself with one of the team (one that does not do so well, so I can try something).
I started with total football: 4-DMC(right-up)-MC(left-up)-MR(up)-AML(up)-AMC(up)-ST and the orders described in the total football thread.
But this did not work well, my AMC saw red and he scored after as standard situation. I joined the match and sacrificed the RB for a new AMC. The orders were not well chosen, because he was still pressuring my defense. But I waited until halftime to not confuse the match engine too much. ;) I moved the AML/ML backwards from AML to ML and switched from attacking short passing to mixed passing which suits counter attacks better. This had a positive effect and the team turned the match around to a 3-1 win. :)
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So, this was a win, but against a weaker team with us being one man down. So consequences? 3N-1-4-1-1 could be a suitable 11 players formation. Has anyone made experiences with it?
I recently played 4-3N-3 against (almost) a 4-1-4-1 which was same quality than mine and won 2-0.
I've been trying 3N-1-4-2 against some 3 striker variants recently and it seems to work well. Not tried it against 4-3N yet.
Thanks, 3N-1-4-2 sounds like a good option. It avoids similarities to 4-5V-1 which is usually punished hard by 4-3N-3.
4-1 (blue)-4-1 works.
Still works well for me...4-1-4-1..
I am using it against ND and 4-3n-3...it's still works like charm..
Thanks guys, maybe I used the wrong orders. I usually play 4-1-4-1 against 4-3N-3 players with about same quality:
- normal mentality
- mixed passing
- down both flanks
- own half pressing
- normal tackling
- no offside trap
- no counter attacks
It might ofc have been a one-off/strange day but on same day I left my team in 4-3N-3 they drew with a 4-5-1V but then beat a 4-1-4-1 (with AML), which was a surprise.
Additionally my custom set up for a 4-5-1V to own 4-4-2s in Cup has been faltering a bit. So I'm finding I need to change some of my previously reliable counters.
So I offer it as an option rather than the results of extensive testing. ;)
i always use 3-2DML/R-2MC-2AML/R-1ST and counter on wings against this (better use defensive)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Rath
i use an 4-4-2 classical
I have seen this in the CL stage, too. But it surprised me quite a lot because 4-4-2 is usually weak in the center.Quote:
Originally Posted by A R R O W
Maybe Nordeus modified their match engine to keep things interesting.
Sometimes it works but sometimes it's not working...50-50 for me I could say...Quote:
Originally Posted by A R R O W
I experienced some formation in the last days vs. 4-3N-3. Against troll Mourinho I made bad experiences with 3N-DMC-4-AMC-ST (0-5 loss despite same quality as Mourinho) and lost very unlucky with 4-4-2 with a team that was inferior to Mourinhos squad. In the competitive cup match 3DC-3MC-AML-AMR-2ST brough a comfortable win. But I think it really depends heavily on orders, quality and form of the opponent. I will try to collect more experiences in 4-1-4-1 alternatives to counter 4-3N-3 in the future.
