In Top Eleven, when are the best times to play man to man defense instead of zonal?
Also, under what circumstances would you choose long ball passing over mixed or short passing?
Thanks!
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In Top Eleven, when are the best times to play man to man defense instead of zonal?
Also, under what circumstances would you choose long ball passing over mixed or short passing?
Thanks!
-man2man never.
-Long passing I prove when I have mixed passing+ attacking mentality and I see that he have more chances and dominates me, then I prove very defensive mentality + long passing, if I have chances or depending of how I see I prove 10 minutes this and 10 long passing+attacking mentality.
When I change the orders very often I see how the bar of possession change in some sense or the new orders give me more stability.
Good luck.
thank you so much! great advice.
so from your reply i guess the game reacts pretty quickly to a change in orders. i always wondered how long it takes for new orders to take effect. thanks again for the thoughtful advice!
From my point of view, I think you can use Man2Man if you are stronger than your opponents. Normally, M2M will go along with whole pitch (your players can get a bit tried compare to own half).
I order for long pass whenever I use AML/AMR attack down both flanks, or when I see my opponents have so many players in the middle like a traffic jam...this way, your players can pass a ball over that crowd.
By the way, I have tested it about M2M and own half on one of the team in my CL group this season. His formation was 3-5-2 flat, I used the same formation like his but the results are totally different. And the winner is M2M.
I use Man to Man when I decide I'm playing Defensive and my defenders are almost matching up to oppositions attack e.g. I might decide to go M2M while trying a defensive 3-5-2v against 4-ND.
I use long ball primarily if I'm using defensive + force counters against a strong team. However I always stand ready to change these things or test if another setting improves things (if improvement is needed). Just like in some matches the same def c-a set up against the same oppo formation produces more c-a opportunities going flanks but on other occasions it mixed works better.
Most of the various orders are preferences not restrictions and chance plays a part.
Remember, the other team has orders too so a template doesn't always work.
Man on man markingQuote:
Originally Posted by bahamafc
Some say that man on man marking is useful against lower quallity teams (too long to explain why...).
Mine opinion: It should be related with formation. Basic example: opponent uses 442. If you use 4141 then you should go with zonal marking, but if you use wide diamond or some assymetric formation against it, then you should use man on man.
Question is how to know which one is right? It is hard to find out, but you need to watch after opponents shooting stats. If he has a lot of shoots, then your defence isn't working properly, but main cause aslo could be formation+tactics or form of players. You can learn that from experience because game engine is quite weird.
Long passing
This is easier question and has confrimed answer.
Use long passing when opponent has 5-6 players in mildfield or when you are defending.
It's not a show off as under any circumstance, I just want to prove my point here. As you can see below, I used the same formation as my opponent in CL. I also used 6-7 reserve players. Away match 0-8, I used M2M and whole pitch, it seem to be very effective even I wasn't there. The total shots and (shots on target) 36 (15). On the opposite side of it. At home 4-0, I used zone with own half, my team scored only 2 goals...until I showed up around 56' and switched to M2M, then my players controlled the match and scored 2 more goals. The total shots and (shots on target) 15 (7).
It's from my experience, your result may be vary.
Thanks a ton for the input, Barca.
Thanks for the insight. I assumed you don't want to play man to man unless you have a pretty solid skill advantage. I hadn't thought about it from the formation perspective though.
Thanks for the insight. I assumed you don't want to play man to man unless you have a pretty solid skill advantage. I hadn't thought about it from the formation perspective though.
You are very welcome. Since you mentioned me in this thread, please allow me to show off for once more time.Quote:
Originally Posted by bahamafc
Let not keep a habit by using M2M all the times. It's not a good idea, when you have only three defend players but your opponents have 4-5 offense players. There is no way your individual player (even with triple higher rate player) can cover 2 attackers. M2M should work well, for example, whenever your opponents have three strikers and one AMC. Then, you have to match it with three DCs and one DMC. Or whenever, you decide to match with his/her formation, like 4-4-2C to 4-4-2C, diamond to diamond, and etc.
Let also look at the screenshot below. Today, my Cup opponent went for 3-2(DML/DMR)-2-1-2, I used diamond. I can easily M2M with whole pitch. My two MCs match up with her MCs; my two DCs mark her STs; and my DMC marks her AMC. My DR/DL are free, so I put red arrow on them so that they can join my AMC and two strikers for the attack.
If you ever doubted about your order or whenever you don't attend at the match. You should just reset everything to "mix, zone and own half".
Your result may be vary.
Man on man works well when your players are better than opponent, and of course their forms are good( 7 8 9). Otherwise, you'll pay for their mistakes.
...what about your player's condition at the end of those matches?Quote:
Barca FC
It's not a show off as under any circumstance, I just want to prove my point here. As you can see below, I used the same formation as my opponent in CL. I also used 6-7 reserve players. Away match 0-8, I used M2M and whole pitch, it seem to be very effective even I wasn't there. The total shots and (shots on target) 36 (15). On the opposite side of it. At home 4-0, I used zone with own half, my team scored only 2 goals...until I showed up around 56' and switched to M2M, then my players controlled the match and scored 2 more goals. The total shots and (shots on target) 15 (7).
I suppose this requires a lot of spending of it...
Man on man marking, Long ball, Whole pitch pressing, those orders will spend all of your players's energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
Uhmm...in 10 minutes i can give it a try, i'll let you know the result (i never used M2M marking);)
Played...but don't know if that experience could be useful: my opponent deployed a "poor" formation, changed roles (DC in place of ST), he lost his GK in first minutes of the match and his sub was a DC....
Possession was 80-20 % in my favor...in conclusion don't think the match might validly be used as an example...
Anyway, i give some shots of the game:
My conditions before the contest
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My orders (pay attention, i changed in "normal mentality" at half of the first time and again "defensive" at half of the second)
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Finally, here's the result
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...and formations
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One thing i noticed is a moderate waste of condition despite my deployng M2M and Whole pitch pressing
After I use M2M (zone), the average condition of my players is 74 (78). So I would say not much of a different.
Keep it in mind, I never said that I use M2M and whole pitch with DEFENSIVE. Attack is my team style (team mentality). The key word is "STRONGER", to me, why should I choose defensive when my starters are way better in rating.
I am not trying to be smart A$$ here, I just want to pin point what I would do if I am in your situation. About your formation today with your abandoned opponent's team which you won away 0-4. You chose 4-1-3-2 against 4-3n-1-2, all of your players are very close each other, they are pack in short distance (one area) - I should go with mix or short pass. Also, your opponent had three MCs right in the middle of the field. I know those MCs have lower rating than yours, but still they are a soccer player. Eventually, they can't stop your players but at least they still can slow you down a bit. It's all about formation as well. I would use M2M, whole pitch, long pass with 3n-5-2V or 4-5-1V versus 4-3n-1-2.
Your result may be vary.
