I am losing with formation 4-1-2-1-2

[Pavanraj Selvaraju]

Hi. I am currently using the formation 4-1-2-1-2, and I am not sure why I keep on losing even to weaker opponents. I have improved my squad pretty much and they are all 5 stars, with 1 or 2 players being 6 stars. I had even purchased a scout. Even still, my team is losing every single match, and even when it seldomly wins, the scoreline is only by 1-0. Please someone help me! My manager level is Level 9 by the way...

[jojet]

I also lost matches with 4-1-2-1-2., with no wing
Especially against teams that had wingers

[Jan Daněk]

4-1-2-1-2 works well for me

[Gabez Teh]

Currently visiting level 5 and Narrow diamond works like a charm for me (for now )!

Btw we have 9 champs, couple CL and Cup and (bi)winners and a treble guy! after 10 rounds im leading the group! between 1st (me) and 14th guy only 2 yes TWO diffs in Quality!

Thanks to the new Nordeus idiotic drawing system... until my 30ish "friends" playing another CRAP YES CRAP (TWICE!) teams... (their best of 7 teams that having 30Q gonna promote to the next level until our 40ish teams not lol... yes that's logical )

[Pavanraj Selvaraju]

I played a game with a person 3 quality lower than me, and I only manage to win him barely 2-1. The person leading my group is also playing that formation but she had won this guy 7-0 before. However, my quality is higher than the person leading the table. I just don't understand why my team is under performing.

[pcmacdaniel]

I played a game with a person 3 quality lower than me, and I only manage to win him barely 2-1. The person leading my group is also playing that formation but she had won this guy 7-0 before. However, my quality is higher than the person leading the table. I just don't understand why my team is under performing.

Form over Quality!

Just because a player has 6 stars of quality, doesn't guarantee them to be a good player. At one time, I once purchased 3 consecutive MC's from my scout list and all of them seldom got above a "5" rating. A 6* player with a "5" rating will be outperformed by a 3* player with a "7" rating. If you have players like this in the middle of your diamond like I did, your team is going to struggle with lesser quality teams.

If you're not maxing win bonus, morale and condition, maybe doing so could help improve their performance. My 3 MC's sadly wouldn't get above a "6" with the all three maxed. Some players don't play certain formations well and others don't play well no matter what the manager does (regardless of quality).

A change of orders is another option. I myself am not well versed in the 4-1-2-1-2 ND, but their are several very experienced players on this forum that will have very good advice in how to setup this formation.

[Pavanraj Selvaraju]

Most of my player's quality are 7, no one are below 6. So do I still have to sell them and buy someone else?

[pcmacdaniel]

Most of my player's quality are 7, no one are below 6. So do I still have to sell them and buy someone else?

Players averaging a "7" i'd keep. Any player averaging around a "6" i'd sell.

Its also important to note that some positions in general average a better average form than others.

MC's, DMC's and GK's usually have the poorest form in this game, so a player averaging between a "6" and "7" is recommended to keep until you find a few players at those respective positions that average above a "7".

ST's usually have the best form, so if you players form average is a "7" you have a dud. Generally, a quality ST is someone who gets mostly 8's with an occasional "7" or "9".

good defenders are usually a mixture of "7"s and "8"'s.

Reiterating the form thing, its bizarre but I have come across a one-star defender that got MOTM against me in the cup when I was level 6. This players quality was 16, so he was one-star for level 3 and I my strikers ranged from 5* to 7*. It was the only match I lost that entire cup tournament, which I went on to win. At lower levels its rarer to find low quality players dominating, but at higher levels where the quality gap is smaller (25 Q vs. 15Q is a larger percentage gap than 85Q and 75Q) so a players raw stats impact the match less, whereas hidden mode stats play a larger role in shaping player performance.

[Go Ahead Eagles]

Try 4-3-3,or 451 v style or 3-4-1-2.