Countering Narrow Diamond.

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09-07-2016
LassanaDiarra

Countering Narrow Diamond.

Champions league match tomorrow, first leg, against 2nd place in my league (which is crazy this guy's whole team avg quality is slightly over 100%)

He's playing narrow diamond and the game is at HIS ground. I've had sort of success before with 4-5-1V drawing 1-1 at his ground in the league game we had. I had more shots.

I'm not sure how I set my tactics and arrows so I'm here for some help. About tactics:
Thought about defensive/normal mentality.
Through flanks, counter on. Not sure about passing, pressure and tackling. His best player is his an AMC whose a great free kicker.

I'll keep you updated. If anything else comes up.
Thanks in advance!
09-07-2016
LeManiaque

My strategy against 41212 right now is:

4141
attacking, both flanks, mix, force counter attack prefer off, but can be used if you are behind or started on and turned off to hold your lead. Low pressing, normal, zonal, no offside trap.

Attack arrow on 1 or 2 of your best attacking skills DR/DL and 1-2 ML/MR, for a total of 2-3 attack arrows. Do not put one on your DMC.

Defensive arrow you can apply to one or both DC, I sometimes use one on the side of the higher form or faster attacker. You can try defensive arrow on your DMC( to counter the AMC) or to your solo ST, so he might hold the ball until your midfield attackers can support.

I have a series of 2:1 wins with this strategy, but also have very strong DR and DL
09-07-2016
LassanaDiarra

Countering Narrow Diamond.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeManiaque

My strategy against 41212 right now is:

4141
attacking, both flanks, mix, force counter attack prefer off, but can be used if you are behind or started on and turned off to hold your lead. Low pressing, normal, zonal, no offside trap.

Attack arrow on 1 or 2 of your best attacking skills DR/DL and 1-2 ML/MR, for a total of 2-3 attack arrows. Do not put one on your DMC.

Defensive arrow you can apply to one or both DC, I sometimes use one on the side of the higher form or faster attacker. You can try defensive arrow on your DMC( to counter the AMC) or to your solo ST, so he might hold the ball until your midfield attackers can support.

I have a series of 2:1 wins with this strategy, but also have very strong DR and DL

Thanks. I get what you're saying.
I also thought of 4-2(dmc)-1-2aml'r-1
His amc is by far his best player and by closing him down I'll be increasing my chances. I set both dmc's with red arrows and the MC with blue. Blue arrows on all defenders, I'll change to red if I'll see they're doing fine during the match. Down arrows on st.

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09-07-2016
Awe Imoleayo Peter

Blue arrows on all defenders and mc, red arrows on Dmc???
09-07-2016
LassanaDiarra

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Originally Posted by Awe Imoleayo Peter

Blue arrows on all defenders and mc, red arrows on Dmc???

I want them to stay back and not join attack (which they often do when I don't set any arrows) and I want the MC to help in defense.
DMC's both have good passing and creativity and if they'll join attack I think I'll still be relatively safe.

Is my understanding of arrows incorrect?

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09-08-2016
LeManiaque

Nobody really understands arrows, that's the truth.

I have a DC who will score a goal even with a defensive arrow.
09-08-2016
Wiesse

4-5-1 v style defensive/normal, trough flanks, counter attack, mixed/long red arrows dl/dr aml/amr
09-08-2016
LassanaDiarra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiesse

4-5-1 v style defensive/normal, trough flanks, counter attack, mixed/long red arrows dl/dr aml/amr

I think I'll go with that with a slight tweak. 2 dmc's instead of 2mc's. I'll be watching and I think it'll be safer to start like that.

I'll let you guys know how it went.

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09-08-2016
samuelsimanjunta

4-5-1v style by down boat flanks now not strong anymore. I think. Why.. For now. If i use 4-5-1v style or 4-4-2 i always choose attack by left of right. Choose the weak defender of your opponent. If you attack by right side, Your ML or AML should be on Red arrow.

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09-08-2016
LassanaDiarra

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuelsimanjunta

4-5-1v style by down boat flanks now not strong anymore. I think. Why.. For now. If i use 4-5-1v style or 4-4-2 i always choose attack by left of right. Choose the weak defender of your opponent. If you attack by right side, Your ML or AML should be on Red arrow.

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Thanks! But I ended up playing both DMC's. You guys ready?
I'm reminding you, this guy never lost in the league, winning 13-0 on his last away game. At HIS ground, the result was:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...d5894948ee.jpg

I think the counter for ND has been found.
09-08-2016
samuelsimanjunta

What formation?

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09-08-2016
Awe Imoleayo Peter

Quote:

Originally Posted by LassanaDiarra

Thanks! But I ended up playing both DMC's. You guys ready?
I'm reminding you, this guy never lost in the league, winning 13-0 on his last away game. At HIS ground, the result was:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...d5894948ee.jpg

I think the counter for ND has been found.

You had good shot efficiency, what if you didn't have luck with that? And were you on hard tackles?
09-08-2016
Wiesse

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuelsimanjunta

4-5-1v style by down boat flanks now not strong anymore. I think. Why.. For now. If i use 4-5-1v style or 4-4-2 i always choose attack by left of right. Choose the weak defender of your opponent. If you attack by right side, Your ML or AML should be on Red arrow.

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For me is it good. Few days ago I beat ND with 7-0 with 4-5-1 v style down both flanks
09-08-2016
LassanaDiarra

Countering Narrow Diamond.

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuelsimanjunta

What formation?

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4-2-1-2w-1
Normal mentality
Both flanks
Short passing
High pressure
Normal tackles
Zonal
Counter on offside off

This might only work in this case because his AMC is his strong point and I aimed on closing him down with two DMC's. Turned out great
09-08-2016
LassanaDiarra

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Originally Posted by Awe Imoleayo Peter

You had good shot efficiency, what if you didn't have luck with that? And were you on hard tackles?

Actually the stats aren't accurate. These were the stats after the game:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...b727acaeb6.jpg

I were on normal tackles because his AMC is a brilliant free kick taker. I decided not to risk it.
09-08-2016
LeManiaque

Very nice! I hope it works again on the return leg.
09-09-2016
LassanaDiarra

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeManiaque

Very nice! I hope it works again on the return leg.

It plays tomorrow, I'll let you know how it went :)

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09-10-2016
HairDryer

i dont see counter formation as effective as it use to be. i think that is good for the game. All depend on your order ,mentality and capability of player. if you know how to use your team strength and exploit your oppo weakness.
09-10-2016
LassanaDiarra

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Originally Posted by HairDryer

i dont see counter formation as effective as it use to be. i think that is good for the game. All depend on your order ,mentality and capability of player. if you know how to use your team strength and exploit your oppo weakness.

You have a point. Although a counter formation does somewhat means exploiting your oppo weaknesses.
09-10-2016
HairDryer

should be more specific what i meant is oppo player weakness nt formation.
etc: here is my cl match i played today oppo play 4231 formation.
on paper its easy to find counter for that formation. home match i lost 3-0 with 451v my formation failed as he is much stronger in quality both my winger is no match against his dl/dr.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...520bf2e9cf.jpg

so return match i take a good look at his defence and notice the weakness.so i play a 32311 attack middle.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...6e3c7a0362.jpg

result
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...fc476184b5.jpg

oppo weakness
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...4f7557ad5e.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...a9ffd7aebb.jpg

unfortunately we out of cl could have go through if only we have 11 player on the field. they manage to get the goal on 86min. overall a good game.

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09-10-2016
LassanaDiarra

Quote:

Originally Posted by HairDryer

should be more specific what i meant is oppo player weakness nt formation.
etc: here is my cl match i played today oppo play 4231 formation.
on paper its easy to find counter for that formation. home match i lost 3-0 with 451v my formation failed as he is much stronger in quality both my winger is no match against his dl/dr.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...520bf2e9cf.jpg

so return match i take a good look at his defence and notice the weakness.so i play a 32311 attack middle.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...6e3c7a0362.jpg

result
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...fc476184b5.jpg

oppo weakness
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...4f7557ad5e.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...a9ffd7aebb.jpg

unfortunately we out of cl could have go through if only we have 11 player on the field. they manage to get the goal on 86min. overall a good game.

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That's too bad... But you really did great there.
I actually lost 3-2 today but I couldn't watch the game and I'm quite happy because I spared the 8mill win bonus for the players and I still got to the semi finals.
09-10-2016
Awe Imoleayo Peter

Nice one Hairdryer
09-11-2016
HairDryer

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Originally Posted by Awe Imoleayo Peter

Nice one Hairdryer

thks peter! the game i am suppose to make his hair stand and dry lol.
09-11-2016
Awe Imoleayo Peter

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Originally Posted by HairDryer

thks peter! the game i am suppose to make his hair stand and dry lol.

You did well anyways