Need a miracle in second leg!

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04-25-2013
El Pistolero

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Need a miracle in second leg!

I lost my Champions League home match today 1-3 so I'm wondering what you guys think I should do in the second leg.

Here is the result Attachment 5769

I never normally have a problem against this formation so this came as a bit of a shock!

My instructions were:

Team Mentality: Normal
Focus Passing: Down Both Flanks
Pressing Style: Own Half
Marking Style: Zonal
Passing Style: Short
Tackling Style: Hard

No counter, no offside.

I have looked at his previous results and I see he has lost against formations like 3-1-4-2 and 4-1-2-3 to weaker teams.
These are centre pitch focussed tactics so this is what surprises me. I am thinking of using....

3-1-4-2
Team Mentality: Attacking
Focus Passing: Mixed
Pressing Style: Own Half
Marking Style: Man-to-Man
Passing Style: Long
Tackling Style: Hard

No counter, no offside.

What do you think?
04-25-2013
Narf

Just looking at the picture I was thinking myself for countering with 3-1-4-2 and then I read the rest of your post, lol. I get the rest, but why Man-to-man marking?
04-25-2013
darsento

Maybe 3N-2W(DMC)-2MC-2(AML/R)-1 ? red arrows AMR/L and blue arrows MC?

Team Mentality: Defensive
Focus Passing: Flanks
Pressing Style: Own Half
Marking Style: Man-to-Man
Passing Style: Long
Tackling Style: Hard

counter, no offside.
I'd just played...
04-25-2013
El Pistolero

Haha I should of countered but I thought no, not at home. If I led, I would of countered in the second leg.

Because my 3 CB's will man mark the 2 strikers, DMC will man mark AMC and I'll have 4 midfielders man marking his 4.
04-25-2013
El Pistolero

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Originally Posted by darsento

Maybe 3N-2W(DMC)-2MC-2(AML/R)-1 ? red arrows AMR/L and blue arrows MC?

Team Mentality: Defensive
Focus Passing: Flanks
Pressing Style: Own Half
Marking Style: Man-to-Man
Passing Style: Long
Tackling Style: Hard

counter, no offside.
I'd just played...

Do you mean the butterfly? That doesn't neutralize his AMC mate. Also, is defensive counter what I should be doing when I need a 3 goal lead? Thank you for the response :)
04-25-2013
Hear_break_kid

I would like to say.. IT'S BAD LUCK MATE !!
04-25-2013
El Pistolero

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Originally Posted by Hear_break_kid

I would like to say.. IT'S BAD LUCK MATE !!

I know, right? I knew what he was doing because for 70 minutes I was all over him, he couldn't counter me then BANG!
I wanted the win so I stupidly went attackive and conceded 2 more lol.
04-25-2013
RedSeth

Mate, play the same formation. That's good formation. Just set different orders. Attacking mentality, attack down both flanks, zonal marking, hard tackling, mixed passing, force counterattack, no offside traps, pressing own half. Put red arrows on AML, AMR, ST.
And if you really need win, then you must play risky. 3W-1(DMC)-2N-2(AML,AMR)-2. Let your one dc play against 2 sts and put blue arrow on dmc to go back.
04-26-2013
gtmsnba13

Dude I wish you luck second leg. I think it's best to set up your penalty takers. Try and go up 2-0 and go ultra defensive and hope for the best. Man, and I would have used the same formation, too; but with counter attack on.
04-26-2013
shwanko07

451V is over rated
your mistakes imo are:
facing strong sides especially at home, you will be more exposed to counters, so better you use 4 at mid
other problem is he has no fullbacks .. so you need to pass the ball fast and long to wings.. problem you set your team to pass short passes which will allow players to go back and cover as short is slow tempo .. is best to catch him in counter when he has no fullbacks

i will go with 4141 and red arrow in all fullbacks, DMC, wingers , counter long balls defensive
don't give up .. you still have a chance, as he will attack you more and he will be exposed more into counters when playing at home than away
problem you need 3 goals

my wingers are AML/ML/DML type of players, so i have big freedom to switch to 451V or many other formations during the game if 4141 didn't work .. my 4141 is normally one winger is AML and the other keep him as RM.. and change things depending on possession
red arrow on strikers and wingers if you need more goals and care less about possession
replace your striker with a fresh one , allowed me to pick 1-2 goals in last 20 minutes .. and try to refresh players and take out tired one upfront (mid to strikers).. help alot to give you even extra possession by the end
3-0 away is a big task ..
i played good side today and beat him 3-0 with 451 and he was watching .. was 0-0 till 60 min , was tempted to attack but never changed mentality from defensive and counter bcz didn't want to give an away goal for opposition .. and all the wait paid off by the end
GOOD luck
04-26-2013
El Pistolero

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedSeth

Mate, play the same formation. That's good formation. Just set different orders. Attacking mentality, attack down both flanks, zonal marking, hard tackling, mixed passing, force counterattack, no offside traps, pressing own half. Put red arrows on AML, AMR, ST.
And if you really need win, then you must play risky. 3W-1(DMC)-2N-2(AML,AMR)-2. Let your one dc play against 2 sts and put blue arrow on dmc to go back.

I might try keeping my formation with your instructions. Thank you :D
04-26-2013
El Pistolero

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmsnba13

Dude I wish you luck second leg. I think it's best to set up your penalty takers. Try and go up 2-0 and go ultra defensive and hope for the best. Man, and I would have used the same formation, too; but with counter attack on.

Thank you, I need all the luck I can get :D I can't believe I got countered by an attacking formation.

P.S, if it finishes 2-0 I lose on away goals :( Gotta get 3.
04-26-2013
El Pistolero

Quote:

Originally Posted by shwanko07

451V is over rated
your mistakes imo are:
facing strong sides especially at home, you will be more exposed to counters, so better you use 4 at mid
other problem is he has no fullbacks .. so you need to pass the ball fast and long to wings.. problem you set your team to pass short passes which will allow players to go back and cover as short is slow tempo .. is best to catch him in counter when he has no fullbacks

i will go with 4141 and red arrow in all fullbacks, DMC, wingers , counter long balls defensive
don't give up .. you still have a chance, as he will attack you more and he will be exposed more into counters when playing at home than away
problem you need 3 goals

my wingers are AML/ML/DML type of players, so i have big freedom to switch to 451V or many other formations during the game if 4141 didn't work .. my 4141 is normally one winger is AML and the other keep him as RM.. and change things depending on possession
red arrow on strikers and wingers if you need more goals and care less about possession
replace your striker with a fresh one , allowed me to pick 1-2 goals in last 20 minutes .. and try to refresh players and take out tired one upfront (mid to strikers).. help alot to give you even extra possession by the end
3-0 away is a big task ..
i played good side today and beat him 3-0 with 451 and he was watching .. was 0-0 till 60 min , was tempted to attack but never changed mentality from defensive and counter bcz didn't want to give an away goal for opposition .. and all the wait paid off by the end
GOOD luck

That's the thing I'm worried about. 4-1-4-1 might not get me enough goals. 4-5-1V is the best tactic I've used. The problem wasn't my short passing, I was controlling the game until it went 1-1 then I changed to mixed passing and got destroyed.
04-26-2013
RedSeth

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Pistolero

That's the thing I'm worried about. 4-1-4-1 might not get me enough goals. 4-5-1V is the best tactic I've used. The problem wasn't my short passing, I was controlling the game until it went 1-1 then I changed to mixed passing and got destroyed.

Short passes are usually used for flat formations.