Improved Player Rating

Hi everyone!

We have seen some confusion about this on the forums and we would like to officially spread the word around :)

With the most recent update of Top Eleven we improved the way the player rating is calculated. It may now happen that a player receives a full 10 point rating for his performance in a certain match - as you may have noticed already!

Yet this should happen very rarely as a 10 will only be given for outstanding performance. We won't go too much into detail about this feature at this point, but just to confirm and answer one of today's most popular questions: Yes, 10 points is the current maximum and highest rating a player can achieve.

Anyhow, as with all changes in the game, we appreciate and value your feedback, so please do let us know what you think!

Like it, and more when was my 2nd team Valle de Escotia who had 10 x2 today

1 of the players scored 4 goals, the other, 2 goals and 1 assistance.

:o

http://i58.tinypic.com/10e2ezq.jpg

AMR & AML probably deserved them with 5/1 & 3/0 respectively.

Not sure why Harper deserved a 10 other than Striker favouritism 1/3 (just as well he was passing because he missed a few)
DC scoring 1 goal in 31 mins then had a picnic XD

Its nice but hopefully they'll get rarer?

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Originally Posted by Buffs Mad

Its nice but hopefully they'll get rarer?

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No worries, we are closely monitoring the data so we can adjust if need be and should we deem it appropriate. Your feedback also helps! :)

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Originally Posted by Buffs Mad

http://i58.tinypic.com/10e2ezq.jpg

AMR & AML probably deserved them with 5/1 & 3/0 respectively.

Not sure why Harper deserved a 10 other than Striker favouritism 1/3 (just as well he was passing because he missed a few)
DC scoring 1 goal in 31 mins then had a picnic XD

Its nice but hopefully they'll get rarer?

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vovvvv :eek: amazing team :cool:

After see Buffs pic I thin that need to be a little bit adjusted lol max. 1 player, or 2 in rare cases should have the 10 for outstanding contribution during the match. That should have to depend of how active is the player during the match, how many times appear or in some sense their input help in defense/middle/attack/gk...

I still thinking that the own internal proggramming of the player is what determines the ratings, so my experience with ratings is that are a little bit linear.
But today we talk about 10's. My viewpoint is that 10's have to be more exclusive.
:)

If 10 is for outstanding performance, what players have to do to get 3? To sleep on the grass? :rolleyes:

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Anyhow, as with all changes in the game, we appreciate and value your feedback, so please do let us know what you think!

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Don't worry, as usual, players of the game discover by themselves the changes of the game.
One of them you "forgot" to inform us, is the new league draw. Leagues with the same quality teams.
Well, I don't like it, not if it's not my choice or the rewards are the same with a team of 3* players, who doesn't spend any time or money in the game.

So, I 'm thinking :
-Quitting the game
-Starting from the beginning with a 3-4* team, playing as 35T manager, just log in for the game and the gifts, for 10' min every day
-Finding something else
From today my team is in auto-pilot. Not interest any more

I don't care if the maximum rating is 9 or 10. I hope this change in match rating can help managers to evaluate the performances of players, as well as comparing with performance of players in different positions.

In the past, strikers or scoring AML or AMR usually got very high ratings. They are below average if their average rating is 7. In contrast, if players in position like goalkeepers or midfielder have average rating of 7, they are decent players. This is confusing to new managers.

I don't hope the new change just simply make the scorers and passers have even better ratings.

@Nordeus

OT but in the spirit of this new Improved Communication can someone say if there is a new Improved League Draw System....and then maybe improve it again. ;)

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Don't worry, as usual, players of the game discover by themselves the changes of the game.
One of them you "forgot" to inform us, is the new league draw. Leagues with the same quality teams.
Well, I don't like it, not if it's not my choice or the rewards are the same with a team of 3* players, who doesn't spend any time or money in the game.

So, I 'm thinking :
-Quitting the game
-Starting from the beginning with a 3-4* team, playing as 35T manager, just log in for the game and the gifts, for 10' min every day
-Finding something else
From today my team is in auto-pilot. Not interest any more

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Why (after having invested so much in the game)? Try to win the league, even though it seems very difficult on paper. This is what makes the game challenging. You can't keep on having easy leagues every season. It would be fun to have easy leagues, but it would be the almost the same routine every season and there won't be any challenge. Maybe this season you should focus on the league. What Nordeus should do though is to make the money prizes for the league proportional to the quality of all the teams in it.

EDit: this post seems more moany than I intended, but it is moany (a bit) ;)

Ratings Feedback 2

Unfortunately the more I see the new ratings the less useful they are as a management tool. I don't mean to be rude but the changes appear to be more about massaging the e-peen of winning managers than giving feedback on players performance to aid management. It seems that even more than before goals and assists mean high ratings and losing means lower. This should not be automatic. There should be an aspect of opportunity and expectation. But, unfortunately, the weighting of reward in the context of 'opportunity and expectation' seems even more weighted towards goals and assists than it already was. Goals win prizes but they do not necessarily reflect the quality of performance - even crap can score ;)

My team won 3-0 in the CL - one ST scored 1 and made 2 assists, rating 10; the other scored 1 and made 1 assist rating 9. All seems OK, right?

Wrong.

The fact is my ST were involved in 3 goals (rating 9 & 10, remember) against what is in effect a 2* team.
Note: I have no problem with the result, the match the stats it's the ratings than do not reflect all of this.

Pics you shout, Buffs let's see the pics! ;)

http://i61.tinypic.com/2an3fr.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/6nw39x.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/2rg2vll.jpg

Detail

My attack produces:

• 26 shots. 15 are not considered on-target so thats 15 that are either stopped by the pposition before they reach the last defender/gk, hit the woodwork or miss the target;
• 11 shots on target. So thats 11 that are either stopped by the last defender, saved by the GK or result in a goal. 1 goal came from a FK so my attack scored 2 from 11....and therefore the opposition made 9 definite goal saving blocks/deflections etc. (Their GK made 4 saves.)

[EDIT: btw I'm not making assumptions on the 'quality' of shots/saves/blocks because even if its poor defending that creates the opportunities its also poor attacking that doesn't take then and its certainly not outstanding attacking which produces 2 against failing def.]

My MCs rate 8 & 9, my wingers 8 & 8, my Strikers 9 & 10...........for that performance? And the opposition manager should be happy (he watched) that his team kept the score down but where is the feedback on his team's performance against 'the Mighty Buffs'? If my team failed then low ratings are deserved for me, if my team didn't fail then higher ratings should be deserved by him.

TL;DR?

Much tweaking is required and in particular it needs, imo, to focus on weighting the rewards; strikers are expected to score/assist, they should not be given the crown jewels for popping 1 or 2 in when in fact they should be doing more.

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Originally Posted by Buffs Mad

@Nordeus

OT but in the spirit of this new Improved Communication can someone say if there is a new Improved League Draw System....and then maybe improve it again. ;)

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Hi Buffs Mad,

A new League draw system has been introduced yesterday and it should satisfy you and nikolgiorgos ;) We just posted about it here.

I'd like to know one thing... is rating 10 for the same performance players used to get 9? Does 6 still means average performance, or it is now what 5 used to be, poor performance?

New league draw? Similar ratings?

If that is the case then they stuck my team in the wrong league. Yes the other 13 are all similarly rated (around 15 at lvl 2) but my team hit day 3 with a 27 avg rating. This league will not have a competition for 1st place......the rest of it should be interesting though.

Apologize because with my comment about the new league draw, I messed with the subject of this thread.
Now, after the new thread/announcement of Fredi there are already 3 threads about this
http://forum.topeleven.com/news-anno...tml#post350652
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post350464
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...tml#post350624
so there is no reason to mix the subjects. My post (and complain) was about communication thing.
By the way, want to say hi to Audiotom and Fredi (suppose they are new members of the family) and wish to see you more often than the others with the blue/red/purple color names.

Back to the subject.
I had a player who got 4 10s in 4 games (after the first two games of the Cup, where he got two 8s).
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...-ready-15.html

So, can you give some explanation why my player became Diego Maradona :rolleyes: all of a sudden ?
I suppose that you cannot explain this because your job is something different, so what about some day, a developer/programmer of the game explain to us, how the rates of the game are working ?
Is this thing just an "add +2" in programming of previous system ?
Who are the factors that affect the rates for every position ?
Has rates any meaning/relation with the result/process of the game or it's just a (logic but random) explanation ?
Is there something that in forum chat we call "bad form"? is the cause random ? can we avoid this ? can we affect this ? Can we coach ?
Thanks for a reply, hope for more :p

There is some meaning to the ratings as goals and assists have a very big impact. That much is clear even with small sample size. Also yellow/red cards are negatives.

Outside of those 2 factors I cannot be sure of anything. GK and CM/CDM ratings have always been a joke before.....Now I am not sure if they fixed them in a real way, made them better across the board, or if I just happened to get lucky with new Nordgen fast trainers at both GK and CM.

The ratings for both my GK and CM are better than I am used to having, but so far not outside the possible range in the past for a successful player at either position.

Last seasons GK had very poor ratings until the last 8 matches where he had all 7+ and 1 MoM......So it is just possible the new guy is starting fast. I still dumped old keeper because he got a 6 in 1st match of the season and there was a top value fast trainer available.....

I didn't have a CM last season at all but in the previous version of my team it took into season 4 to find a solid CM. Had many busts with high value. I did eventually find one who was amazing though and had back to back 20+ goal, 10+ assist seasons before I folded the team and started this new version and identity.

Interesting that at the same time as the change in player rating, there has been a foul up in the League 'Top Rated' table - I have posted about it in http://forum.topeleven.com/bugs-tech...ted-table.html

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Back to the subject.
I had a player who got 4 10s in 4 games (after the first two games of the Cup, where he got two 8s).
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...-ready-15.html

So, can you give some explanation why my player became Diego Maradona :rolleyes: all of a sudden ?
I suppose that you cannot explain this because your job is something different, so what about some day, a developer/programmer of the game explain to us, how the rates of the game are working ?
Is this thing just an "add +2" in programming of previous system ?
Who are the factors that affect the rates for every position ?
Has rates any meaning/relation with the result/process of the game or it's just a (random?) explanation ?
Is there something that in forum chat we call "bad form"? is the cause random ? can we avoid this ? can we affect this ? Can we coach ?
Thanks for a reply, hope for more :p

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I've made note of your request, nikolgiorgos ;)

What conclusion should I come to after this game and ratings I see? 5 defender and all 5 got ratings 5...

Fábián ~ 129 games, never got rating 5 before, average rating 7.39, this season 7.60...
Pak ~ 90 games, never got rating 5 before, average rating 7.26, this season 7.38...
Brown ~ 53 games, once got rating 5, average rating 6.96, this season 7.29...
Pak ~ 41 games, never got rating 5 before, average rating 7.37, this season 7.53...
Rebocho ~ 19 games, never got rating 5 before, average rating 7.58, this season 7.69...


So, they all suddenly forgot to play football and defend? Are they all guilty for goals? Should I sell them all?

Silly and stupid... It's like my players never blocked any shot, never tackled opponents, never created any goal chances... If someone neutral would look at ratings after the game, they would come to conclusion that my team is abandoned...

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...ea&oe=561412CE

Btw, all 5 defenders are rated 8 in the previous game...

I have a better idea for you.
last day of the season, sell your high-rated players, make your team a 3* team, wait until the league is on, you will be with 3* teams, then buy high-rated players.
I did this 2 seasons ago. I always had a 5* team and all the opponents I played with in the cup were 1 or 2 levels above me, with higher rates. When i did this step, dropping my team to 3*, all my opponents in the cup were weaker.

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Originally Posted by Steppenwolf

What conclusion should I come to after this game and ratings I see? 5 defender and all 5 got ratings 5...

Fábián ~ 129 games, never got rating 5 before, average rating 7.39, this season 7.60...
Pak ~ 90 games, never got rating 5 before, average rating 7.26, this season 7.38...
Brown ~ 53 games, once got rating 5, average rating 6.96, this season 7.29...
Pak ~ 41 games, never got rating 5 before, average rating 7.37, this season 7.53...
Rebocho ~ 19 games, never got rating 5 before, average rating 7.58, this season 7.69...


So, they all suddenly forgot to play football and defend? Are they all guilty for goals? Should I sell them all?

Silly and stupid... It's like my players never blocked any shot, never tackled opponents, never created any goal chances... If someone neutral would look at ratings after the game, they would come to conclusion that my team is abandoned...

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...ea&oe=561412CE

Btw, all 5 defenders are rated 8 in the previous game...

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I have noticed decline in performances like that too this season; it was as if the players were not there or the players had 3-4 stars deduction from their profile. There is surely something fishy going on.

I just wanna ask where did Ismail Ihab found this Emblem?

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/...psznp3xref.png

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Originally Posted by NTNK

I just wanna ask where did Ismail Ihab found this Emblem?

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/...psznp3xref.png

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@NTNK Odakle ja znam jbt, to mi je bio protivnik... :D

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@NTNK Odakle ja znam jbt, to mi je bio protivnik... :D

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I have never seen that in clubshop, thats for sure :eek:

Stay on-topic! PS: Regarding that emblem, it also have 2 jerseys, I think is only for Egipt but not sure.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2exmslt.jpg

Each column represents the same player in each of the Seasons - 1 of the DCs and the DMC were S16 purchases.

Ofc I can't factor out fluctuations of player form or opposition but I include S15 ratings too as a buffer.

There seems to be a general significant upward trend following the changes last Season acroos the board except maybe the defensive line of DL, DC & DR although the Striker does still seem like a bit of an oddball. ;)

It would be interesting to know what changes the devs would have expected to see.:p

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I just wanna ask where did Ismail Ihab found this Emblem?

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/...psznp3xref.png

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

Stay on-topic! PS: Regarding that emblem, it also have 2 jerseys, I think is only for Egipt but not sure.

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True, is when they added for 1-2 days the emblems/jerseys of Qatar, Libano, Unated Emirates, Oman etc and so, 14 of July 2015 and I did the meme of the Top Oileven


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True, is when they added for 1-2 days the emblems/jerseys of Qatar, Libano, Unated Emirates, Oman etc and so, 14 of July 2015 and I did the meme of the Top Oileven


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You will never stop with the memes will you khris xD
And that picture from ET damn .. :v memories
Sorry for off topic guys :P
But if you paused the game for 2-3 years you kinda miss the guys :o