I HATE the $%#@ Cup!

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11-22-2013
Razz

I HATE the $%#@ Cup!

http://s8.postimg.org/53xhfy639/Sigh.jpg
So much for planning ... I ended up in a Cup with an average quality @ 68, so i figured i could compete with the teams 2-3 levels higher .. but Nope .. had to run into a token buyer 3 levels above me.
http://s23.postimg.org/5s3zgivyz/Scouts.jpg

Even with 1500 skill points and 200 tokens, i could only manage to bump my team quality by about 6 points ... this guy bought 10 scouts and 6 5-star players after cup draw. How does a guy compete with this $#!^?????
11-22-2013
TypTex

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Originally Posted by Razz

Even with 1500 skill points and 200 tokens, i could only manage to bump my team quality by about 6 points ... this guy bought 10 scouts and 6 5-star players after cup draw. How does a guy compete with this $#!^?????

LOL ... good luck with that one

I think I'd try and play a 9 - - - 1 formation, narrow on the back 9 with blue arrows added ))
11-22-2013
littledude072

man, thats demented, i feel sorry for you
id like to second that 9-1 formation too
11-22-2013
khris

Is what I said... the cup draws have to be in groups of every 3 levels... to have options to win this trophy in 1 of every 3 seasons... not like now.... yeeah, I know some people disagree with me, I know... because the cup, is the cup.
But at now only the mother of god can fight for the cup.
11-22-2013
spornybol

i`v had a few drinks so will keep language to minimal HOLY XXXXX YYYY .... XXXYYYYY
11-22-2013
duchao

good luck, everything goes well will come to you. :rolleyes:
11-22-2013
dv8r

The new cup punishes the manipulators too. I kinda had a feeling this would happen.
11-22-2013
Razz

**SIGH**
He had to have spent 550 tokens?
Hmm .. it took me 3 seasons to save up 200 tokens ... so if I tank every season until next Halloween, maybe I can compete with this ... ;)
11-22-2013
July Fourth

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Originally Posted by Razz

**SIGH**
He had to have spent 550 tokens?
Hmm .. it took me 3 seasons to save up 200 tokens ... so if I tank every season until next Halloween, maybe I can compete with this ... ;)

Why didn't you just sell your squad and fill it with 3* players before promotion and replace all those 2* with 5* and you may have a better chance of winning the cup, Looks like this guy done that last season and then bought scouts at the beginning of the season.
11-22-2013
spornybol

I have one question why try and manipulate the cup when the money and glory is the league and champion`s league ??????? who cares about the cup since they brought this quality rule in
11-22-2013
July Fourth

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Originally Posted by spornybol

I have one question why try and manipulate the cup when the money and glory is the league and champion`s league ??????? who cares about the cup since they brought this quality rule in

It depends on what your aims are basically, some managers will try and win one competition in a preference for another competition, I remember I disliked the RR Cup idea when it first came out, but I still won the Cup in the 4th season of the "RR Cup Era"

The format change was for the better, the competition makes more sense than "L1 vs L25" and only long term veterans now will remember the old cup format very well. Although many players still think its unfair, there is no perfect way of creating a good cup format that pleases everyone.
11-22-2013
SlyAnimal

The current format, where you play people who have an equal skill quality, is pretty fair imo

Just some people manipulate it, which is always going to happen.

I think anyone will admit, that someone buying 10x scouts just after the cup draw, to increase their average quality by around +20, is a pretty extreme/excessive form of manipulation. It's not something which normal/sane people would do.

Gutted that you happened to draw them in an early round of the cup.
11-22-2013
festinator

Pardon me if this is a dumb question but dont most people buy their scouts after the cup draw, since you can't really buy them before...? When does the draw take place?
11-22-2013
July Fourth

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Originally Posted by festinator

Pardon me if this is a dumb question but dont most people buy their scouts after the cup draw, since you can't really buy them before...? When does the draw take place?

As soon as the game setups a new season, He would sold his team at the end of the season and bought a team full of 3* players, then won promotion thus these 3* get downgraded to 2*, then he goes and buys scouts and that vastly improves his team and he has an easy cup draw.
11-22-2013
festinator

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

As soon as the game setups a new season, He would sold his team at the end of the season and bought a team full of 3* players, then won promotion thus these 3* get downgraded to 2*, then he goes and buys scouts and that vastly improves his team and he has an easy cup draw.

Ahh ok I see. Thanks
11-22-2013
Dman2pt

Dont forget we are tanking T11 were all kind of crazy results can happen.

2 seasons ago in CL i won at home and draw away with a Team 10Q better that mine full of scouts with SA. In the first game he was also seeing the game.
So Never give up!
11-22-2013
Garet

Who cares about the cup? It's always crap as you end up playing against teams 1-3 levels above you. (Even the Champions League has gone like this too now). I haven't played someone the same as me (or even less) in last 6 months! Usually last 1st or 2nd round and that's it. League is what we always come back to :) (Although now I have all lvl 14 teams and 1 lvl 15 in my league who is gonna walk it lol).
11-22-2013
Killerbee

I can't help but grin at this thread.

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

Why didn't you just sell your squad and fill it with 3* players before promotion and replace all those 2* with 5* and you may have a better chance of winning the cup, Looks like this guy done that last season and then bought scouts at the beginning of the season.

Actually:

For the people who missed it, the OP made this thread a week ago: http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post174901

He tanked for 2 seasons and manipulated his way to an easy cup draw. Seems there are more people who are capable of doing the same.. As I said in that thread:

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Originally Posted by Killerbee

Jeez, 2 real life months in a row of deliberately not winning.. I'd have quit the game long before I ever got to that point.. Good luck to you and let's hope you don't get trolled out of the cup in the first round :)

Guess you might get kicked out further than you thought you would. But was 2 months of tanking worth this? Heh. Just play the game as it comes instead of trying to manipulate the entire system.

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Originally Posted by spornybol

I have one question why try and manipulate the cup when the money and glory is the league and champion`s league ??????? who cares about the cup since they brought this quality rule in

This cup system is about as fair as it gets. What on earth is the glory in the CL and League where you can simply win by having much higher quality players (bought with real money)?
I love the cup for this very reason. You usually play against someone of your own level. If you don't, they manipulated the draw heavily. But as this thread proves, even those players will feel the pain at some stage.
At least the cup TRIES to put you in an equal level playing field unlike the other two competitions.
11-22-2013
July Fourth

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Originally Posted by Killerbee

I can't help but grin at this thread.

Actually:

For the people who missed it, the OP made this thread a week ago: http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post174901

He tanked for 2 seasons and manipulated his way to an easy cup draw. Seems there are more people who are capable of doing the same.. As I said in that thread:

I wasn't refering to Razz tanking 2 seasons to get an easy cup draw, I was refering to the Boca Juniors guy who clearly manipulated his way to an easy cup draw big time.
11-22-2013
TypTex

Just played my cup second leg against a team 3 levels higher.
Have to say I was a little bit worried as he seemed to have gotten significantly better in quality over the last couple of days.
But 5 goals, (and a few rowdy songs from the fans) later, and the Eagles are marching into the next round .... woohoo )))

Hope my opponent wasn't expecting an easy victory over a lower division team :D
11-22-2013
Razz

My manipulation was entirely to put me on an even playing field against teams 1-2 levels higher than me. Even if they load up on 5 star players (6 and 7s to me), I'd be able to at least compete on even terms. But when a player 3 levels higher spends 500 tokens on scouts, that's almost as bad as the old system.

If i won, at least it would be on fair terms, removing the advantage they have by being 2 levels higher. 75q vs 70q or 72q by no means assures me an easy title. It just means they can't go buy players off the market to get an immediate 5 point advantage. (well, the guys 3 levels higher still could ...)

League is boring ... I've only not won the league twice (when not deliberately tanking) ... and I won CL 3 seasons running .. I just wanted a legitimate shot at the cup for a change.
11-22-2013
Razz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killerbee

This cup system is about as fair as it gets. What on earth is the glory in the CL and League where you can simply win by having much higher quality players (bought with real money)?
I love the cup for this very reason. You usually play against someone of your own level. If you don't, they manipulated the draw heavily. But as this thread proves, even those players will feel the pain at some stage.
At least the cup TRIES to put you in an equal level playing field unlike the other two competitions.

What the heck level are you???

I have NEVER been in a cup against teams at my own level. They've ALWAYS been 2 or 3 levels higher (or worse, before the format was changed)

Even this season, with my "easy" draw, 90% of the teams are 1 or 2 levels higher.
11-22-2013
Aleks Mile

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razz

http://s8.postimg.org/53xhfy639/Sigh.jpg
So much for planning ... I ended up in a Cup with an average quality @ 68, so i figured i could compete with the teams 2-3 levels higher .. but Nope .. had to run into a token buyer 3 levels above me.
http://s23.postimg.org/5s3zgivyz/Scouts.jpg

Even with 1500 skill points and 200 tokens, i could only manage to bump my team quality by about 6 points ... this guy bought 10 scouts and 6 5-star players after cup draw. How does a guy compete with this $#!^?????

sorry Razz but you are also an Token buyer when I see your quality....and he is a Token generator user. Send his name and team to Nordeus support,they can check this
11-22-2013
Saransh Vatsa

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Originally Posted by Aleks Mile

sorry Razz but you are also an Token buyer when I see your quality....and he is a Token generator user. Send his name and team to Nordeus support,they can check this

There is no Token Generator for Top11 and neither is there any Token hack. All u can do is buy tokens or farm tokens through videos or else be satisfied with 35 Tokens a season.
11-22-2013
Incredipede

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Originally Posted by Aleks Mile

[...] and he is a Token generator user. Send his name and team to Nordeus support,they can check this.

Will people ever understand that Token Generators or Token Hacks don't exist?
11-22-2013
Killerbee

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Originally Posted by Razz

What the heck level are you???

24, 7, 4 and 3.

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Originally Posted by Razz

I have NEVER been in a cup against teams at my own level. They've ALWAYS been 2 or 3 levels higher (or worse, before the format was changed)

Even this season, with my "easy" draw, 90% of the teams are 1 or 2 levels higher.

When I said 'level', I meant quality as in the same playing field in terms of team quality and difficulty. Not actual manager/league level.

That's what I meant by the cup being the only competition in which there is somewhat of a quality based draw and not a level based one. You are more likely to play against people of the same quality, whereas in the league if you're competitive (even without buying tokens) you play on average 20 games against people who you will have no resistance from.
11-22-2013
Dmitry Petrushkevich

The only way to win the cup is tanking and saving skill points to get easier cup draw. Even if you can buy scouts. When my friend dumped his team last season I took it over. We made it to the Cup final game and had to play against the guy who was 2 levels higher. Prior to the final game he bought a few cheap older 5 stars players. But they were 7 stars on my level and off course we lost it.
11-22-2013
TypTex

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Originally Posted by Dmitry Petrushkevich

The only way to win the cup is tanking

No ... don't do it ... I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that tanking makes you go blind
11-22-2013
Dman2pt

I already won 2 cups without tanking, and other managers also done it.

Tanking does not make the draw of cup easyer, that only can happen If the SP are not assined until the start of New season.
So If you Tank and assigne the SP you have a normal draw.

2 seasons ago i tanked one of my teams, because it was not competitive anymore and was getting bad results, last season i became second, this season i am level 4 and i am playing a level 6 cup. So this is the prove that tanking does not make the cup easyer, only If you do not assigne SP that could happen.
11-22-2013
Razz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aleks Mile

sorry Razz but you are also an Token buyer when I see your quality....and he is a Token generator user. Send his name and team to Nordeus support,they can check this

See this thread
11-22-2013
HULIANO

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Originally Posted by Razz

http://s8.postimg.org/53xhfy639/Sigh.jpg
So much for planning ... I ended up in a Cup with an average quality @ 68, so i figured i could compete with the teams 2-3 levels higher .. but Nope .. had to run into a token buyer 3 levels above me.
http://s23.postimg.org/5s3zgivyz/Scouts.jpg

Even with 1500 skill points and 200 tokens, i could only manage to bump my team quality by about 6 points ... this guy bought 10 scouts and 6 5-star players after cup draw. How does a guy compete with this $#!^?????

Still you were the 2nd place in your league, but the Boca Juniors was only 4th place.