Visual Guide of Counter Formations vol. I

ok! let's try to do a VISUAL guide, to have a reference and know better how to counter the formations!

Rules:
1-To do the work more easy for the people that comes here to see "examples of matches" and results, we will put the formatiosnin big, like this, in a 7 size for people that use glasses :D

4-3-3 VS 3-5-1-2


2nd- We will put only results of matches that we won, having:
-EQUAL QUALITY(=),
-LESS QUALITY THAN THE OTHER TEAM, or, if we have
- +0.1 to +0.9 BEST QUALITY than the other team, with a clear VICTORY in this case.

But the "better" idea is put results when we win, 2-0, 3-0 and we have 1 star (-) of quality than the other team, to see how effective can be the formation used, and have VISUAL EXAMPLES


Please if you wanna do a question, or answer a post of some formation example, or do questions use "normal" script. Not super sized!
that's to try to find more easy the results and use it as a guide, with examples of our experiences.
:)

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This visual guide doesn't work for all formations. It doesn't explain how 4-2-2-2 hex counters butterfly even though the butterfly "looks" like it can beat the hex.

Why butterfly doesn't counter hexagon?

3 DC vs 2 ST
DML vs AMR
DMR vs AML

Can you explain pls?

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Originally Posted by sayan1@btinternet.com

Why butterfly doesn't counter hexagon?

3 DC vs 2 ST
DML vs AMR
DMR vs AML

Can you explain pls?

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Try it for yourself.

There is no explanation because there is no logic in this game.

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Originally Posted by dv8r

This visual guide doesn't work for all formations. It doesn't explain how 4-2-2-2 hex counters butterfly even though the butterfly "looks" like it can beat the hex.

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Well, let's try to share experiences, see matches, and to have a place with different view points, I think can be interesting if we, see, see and see again, thats the mode to see what happen with some formations... and too to share details of experienced managers, with the experience of new players, that come here, see the guide and... if don't work, just complain.. and... :/
Let's try to have lots of testing against every formation to compare, and try to use our "live" experience to do a guide, or simply a reference of the better options :)

Butterfly counters all. :)

I truly believe that counter formations don't exist !! - you really think that a game engine that reduces cards and injuries when you switch to HARD tackling, and when you counter attack it is often a defender that is up top and ready to score, not to mention the unrealistic 10-0 13-1 score lines that i have been getting all season .. Oh and the fact that you can put your GK's up front and still beat tougher teams really knows how to counter formations? - I really think counter formations are rubbish. they would be good for weaker teams to take advantage of but i really do think there has been so much time wasted analysing counter formations when there is no real proof the work at all. Not to mention the fact that Nordeus have never confirmed that formations countering other formations is something the game engine can analyse and utilise.

3 DC vs 2 ST
DML vs AMR
DMR vs AML

Can you explain pls?

I think this is a good idea, i will try to post a few things.

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Originally Posted by Marc Symons

I truly believe that counter formations don't exist !! - you really think that a game engine that reduces cards and injuries when you switch to HARD tackling, and when you counter attack it is often a defender that is up top and ready to score, not to mention the unrealistic 10-0 13-1 score lines that i have been getting all season .. Oh and the fact that you can put your GK's up front and still beat tougher teams really knows how to counter formations? - I really think counter formations are rubbish. they would be good for weaker teams to take advantage of but i really do think there has been so much time wasted analysing counter formations when there is no real proof the work at all. Not to mention the fact that Nordeus have never confirmed that formations countering other formations is something the game engine can analyse and utilise.

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1/2 agree. Of course, the formation is not all in this game, my experience as a player say that;
1st- quality of the team
2nd-How are the players individually proggrammed
3rd-formation,
4th-mourinho xD
I've seen + posesion, and + oportunities to score against some formations just makeing a change of formation, or simply when I put my ST as a AMC, so, I am sure that, as in all the games of simulation, the formation have a important % in the result.
But, as I said, the quality and, to know how your players play, and how effective they are, and in what situations are they efective, is the 1st.
That's my experience and that's what I use to play and decide.
So, I think can be interesting put here different situations against different formations to see the + efective form to play against this.

Too we have to think that, this is not so simple, like to say "this formation beat this other" yeah, because thats not a game proggrammed in 2 days, and as we see we can see 100 different situations against the same formation and doing the same.
So maybe we have to start a new and more "deep" form to see the matches, and for example, before a match, to play against a butterfly or 4-4-2, we have to see the "stronger" side of our team. Because maybe, if, like in my case, the bettere players are 2 defenders that stop all shoots, maybe I can win a butterfly using this advantadge of my defenders to put more MC's, and play with a 3-5-2 against a 4-4-2, and maybe if we analize in deepest form the matches, and we obtain more information than just the formation that we use against another, maybe we can have a better viewpoint of how do this game the simulations.
Of course i respect all the ideas, but, I hope I explained well what I'm trying to say :)