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Some days ago I posted that the game changed, at least when I play on my iphone...
today I did some tests... 4 friendly matches vs the same team, after each match I healed all my players with the packs, same tacticts, the opponent was not present so same for him as well
1 run, form iphone: 70% ball possession, lost 0:1
2 run, from iphone: 69% ball possession, 1:1 he scored at 90'
3 run, from pc: 69% ball possession, I won 5:0
4 run, from pc: 70% ball possession, I won 6:0
comments?
Chelsea beat Man city 1-0 in league then lost next week 2-0 in cup ????Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
LIverpool hammered Arsenal 5-1 in league then lost 2-1 in cup
bet if they played a friendly hun the score would be different again so your point is ????????????
You want me to wake up yet you call me a guy ????????????? pmsl and grow upQuote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
yes, I'm totally sure that the 2 teams that you mentioned played exacltly with the same conditions, same tacticts, same everything....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo Meow Odom
wake up, guy... avoid silly answers
I don't use to look at the pictures, don't wine and sorry... in any case, your is still not an answer... can you state that the 2 teams that u cited played exactly with the same fomation, tactics, conditions and bla bla bla?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo Meow Odom
the reality is a game, there it is just a computer code, and this one now is quite bugged.
We all get random game engine results ( some wierd ??) for sure but no one wants the same result every game right ??? against the same team etc ?? thats soccer right ???? or am I stupid ??? Oh I play MO tomorrow if I play exactly the same as last tiime I should win ??????? not soccer (football) at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
Do you can it RANDOM?
if I play a match on my iphone... I barely get a draw... if I play on my pc I score tons of goals... and you state RANDOM?
sorry, I've a different concept of random.
Then.... if player values, tactics, conditions have a mean 2 exactly equal match HAVE TO FINISH in a very similar way... a stastistical casuality cannot overcome all other things, otherwise nothing count apart a lucky shot.
Thats it then its your Iphone !!!!!!!!!! pmsl yes sometimes we get random results !!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
Gat, so going off the way you think the game should work...
Imagine you get beaten 3-0 by a team in the first leg of the cup due to your players playing poorly, yet using the right formation;
Do you think you should automatically lose the second leg, using the right counter formation again, and the same orders?
Players can sometimes play extremely well, or very poor, that's the simple explanation to the 'randomness of those results'.
There's no need to get abusive.
By the way, I primarily play TE from my iPhone, and regularly win, if anything I lose more when i spectate from the browser version of the game.
No disrespect but I think your conclusions about the iOS version of the game being rigged are a little outlandish.
here we are talking about computer codes, defined values, numebers, and some random values and whe nthe game works well these things have to be well blanced... if player condition, value, tacticts, formations are less important than the "random case"... that is even worse... it means that the game is not just "broken"... it is totally silly.. why spend time to care about the tema? just trow the dices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sxrenity
It took you to level 6 to work that one out ???? listen hun i'm not sure what your complaining about but soccer games do not work by codes now you are right when you say the game is silly lol but broken ??? nah very silly Yes !!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
just like you carnt always win by spending lots of money !!!!!!!!!!!
or in my case you can lose a lot by spending none !!!
but hun chill it is just a game and soccer is not coded !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!( so whats wrong HUn )
I think you're over reacting, to put it politely :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
You're talking about technical stuff like 'defined values, numbers etc', yet you're failing to make a point.
I don't know if i'm going against forum rules here mentioning another game, but Sega FM14, which is generally accepted as a 'True Football Manager Sim' has the same situations of random results.
And yes, there is some unexplained randomness showed by the game engine, but I don't think the situation you posted warrants any particular outrage.
Perhaps we can form some better deductions if you posted HOW the goals were scored, and factors such as the post match player rating etc.
Istead it looks to me that you don't want to see what it happears to be clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sxrenity
You are talking about random factor. I answer that to loose if I play on the iphone and to win if I play on the PC is not "random"
I say that a game HAS to have some randomic factors, but this factor CAN'T be the only one otherwise all other things, like player values, etc etc are NOTHING and again it means that there is a problem in the calculation code. Because.... in every case all the results come just from a calculation. And it looks to me that in a very recent time random values are the most important thing in this game.
I've played the game for 12 seasons on my iPhone, and watched games using the laptop too, and haven't had an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
All the iOS version of the game is, is a flash port for the browser version of the game, with less functionality.
Without meaning any disrespect, I think you're looking too much into it.
We all agree with you hun !!!!!!! seriously no one said ( and If I did I'm sorry ) that the thing was totally random but it also cannot be exactly the same each time hun !!!! ok ???? are we good now ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
maybe u missed the part where I wrote "after the very recent update" (that was then a "strange" update... It send me on the app store 2 or 3 time before to download something) of the past week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sxrenity
Yes, i actually made a post about it too.
There was no update, nothing mysterious happened since then in regards to results.
It was just a simple bug.
My iPhone requires authorization before downloading anything, so i know for a fact there was no update to the game through the App Store
Random results have happened way before this.
There is no conspiracy to make iOS players lose more games than PC players, what does Nordeus have to gain from it?
Like i said, all the iOS app is, is a port for the browser version of the game.
Imagine watching television through a window of a house, instead of actually being inside it.
EDIT: They have made tweaks to the game engine, which have made random results occur more often, and that's where i agree with you.
BUT it's not just the iPhone, it covers the browser version of the game. That is the point I am trying to put across.
The iPhone, Android, Facebook and Website versions of the game are exactly the same, with the differences more features being available on the website.
how can you be sure? You are arguing that... but if you don't see the code it is just hypoteses...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sxrenity
and then you need some tests to confirm hypoteses. I did 4 today and the results are posted. And for my eyes... result is quite surprising and more or less confirmed what I though.
I don't have more green packs now so I can't go on... but I'll repeat the test in the next days.
Why don't u do a trial too?
Conspiracies, conspiracies everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
I've watched half a game on iPhone, then logged into the PC and watched the second half on the PC...no difference.
I've sent a request to MDKII in regards to telling us just what exactly the 'mysterious update that never was' did, and i'm sure it's just a bug.
when your car does not turn off do you think it's a conspirancy or that, simplier, something is broken?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sxrenity
I'm on the latter position. I simply tought that nordeus guys messed up the code too much. It's human... it is possible to do mistakes.
But i don't think it's broken...It's just a simple run of random/bad results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
I've got the results i've expected this season, apart from the odd loss for silly reasons.
Nordeus took months to implement the friendlies update...they're not known for making quick updates to the game, so i think they took their time with testing it. It's a multimillion pound franchise, they're not going to chuck a quick half-assed broken update in and do nothing about it, mistakes would be rare.
Like i said, the iOS and Browser versions are exactly the same, one is just a port of the other.
I've spectated games using both during games, and nothing has changed.
Yes, the engine has been tweaked, and a lot of strange things are occurring, but they haven't done anything to make a result different just because you have spectated from a different device.
People seem to want to jump on every little thing when it comes to this game now, no matter how strange.
I had fun reading all this but tbh I dont think 4 games prova anything.
Tell us more when you did a research on about 100 games :)
so.. now we stated that it is not a conspirancy... a good step ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sxrenity
then... I did some trials... I can't do more because I finished green packs... few data? maybe... but data.
Instead you think.
Again, do some tests... if you have different results then you can say that you have at least some (few) numbers to show.
That's what I'm getting at, i understand English may not be your first language but you're missing the point of my posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
You're making it out like the game is broken, and I'm trying to say that it's a simple run of bad results.
I'm not concerned about it because the engine is working like it always has for me...I wouldn't say perfectly, but I'm getting the same amount of random results as I did 12 months ago.
If i shared the same concerns as you, then i would happily do a study and share data with you, but like i said, my results have been perfectly normal, to an extent.
interesting I just did one test. I won on the pc, lost on the ipad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
some others can confim?
I won on phone and pc!
today the game was crap
i play friendly"s against the same person saterday and sunday i won 8-0 and 9-0 today with the same formations i lost by 1-1 on penalties
and i had possesion over 78%
Just testing the game a few days with friendlies but today it was just crap and unrealistic
Sxrenity is spot on. The game engine is exactly the same regardless of whether you connect to the game from iphone , android phone or Pc.
For example if Team A were playing Team B in the league. Both managers watch the game.Team A via Iphone and Team B via Pc they are both watching exactly the same game with the same conditions.
I just ask you if it is your theory of if u are proofsQuote:
Originally Posted by fingermouse27
In any case, you have to connect to a server and a software passes some data, it adds some extra bonus etc etc... you are not a totally "external" viewer. Theoretically speaking, a bug can be present. I just ask ppl to do some tests... instead I can read just words... ideas... etc etc :-P
Lol do a couple of days friendlies with a friend
Rule: same players same formation and same orders just for testing the game engine
it doesnt matter if you win or lose
Then after a few day's trying it you get amazing effects about the same game engine
I work full time so i dont watch all my matches. If im at home i'll connect via PC. if at work and able i connect via my phone. results are always pretty similar. sometimes i get a troll result on the phone, sometimes on the Pc too. Its nothing to do with the source, just the unpredicatable , and lately highly flawed nordeus engine
take care, this guy was NOT speaking in general but just for the latest 2 or 3 days. Maybe u're right, for sure ur experience is far larger than mine with this game, but I just did a test and result was accoding his strange theoryQuote:
Originally Posted by fingermouse27
love, lucy
dont take too much notice of any tests in friendly matches. i played an illegal formation in a friendly a couple of days ago, just as an experiment. i still won 3-0.......
you call this a test?? no, seriously, for you this is a test?? 100 friendlies and then we speak again maybe....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gat Manar
>redacted< Gat proposed a theory, asked for some tests, he did some by himself. I did mine and posted my results. U instead passed ur time blaming and fighting (let's skip about ur attitute to look for fight-mates)Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlTaut
do a test, report the result, add a value to the statistic and just then say what u think. Probably he's wrong, but just with numbers u can state that.
Lucy
no, he didnt ask for a test, he said he has proof about the fact there's a bug in other platform game version .. wait, to better say: he said you can't disagree with him if you dont come up with proofs. So what's the point of the whole thread?? It's obvious that no one can bring proofs, only devs can right? and what are the proofs he brought to defend his bizzarre theory? 4 friendlies?? are you kidding me? 4 friendlies for you guys are a proof of something?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucia de Bortolis
being playing from 18 season i know enough the game engine to say that those ridicolous results happen often even in the pc version. Anyway I dont need to bring any result since this isnt my theory and for the op or for you will do no difference...
Carl I am so sorry I must have sounded a jerk when I 1st started!!!!! , reading more and more I tend to agree with you ( dont blame the newbies I was one myself remember ??? ) lolQuote:
Originally Posted by CarlTaut
As Carl says its a bizarre theory lol I ate corn flakes for breakfast and won all four games ??? when I ate toast 1 day I lost !!!!!!
really ????????? lol
the game must be broken right ???? unless you can prove otherwise
LOLs... Well anyways there is no use continuing this useless discussion as the OP is banned. A silly theory he gave us, nothing to waste time upon.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Scrivener