How to win the cup ?

Anyone got sugestions of how to win the cup ? i see many strong teams around with full team of scouts or even higer with 40 League and CL wins but no cup.
So what's the main reason that people can't really win it?
Much competition with other teams that got same/better Q ?
Not enough $ / Tokens to get players in on the start of a new season ?
What would you do in order to win the cup?

Here's what i was thinking to do in the end of this season:
Keep my top 11 players and sell my subs.
Sell all my subs
Buy new players with 3stars(lowest quality out there)
Wait for day 1/2/3 of new season then make new transfers and fill the team with good enough sub players.

p.s: Since my team had 31 avg Q if i sold all my subs and bought
11x 15* players the average quality would drop down to
22.5 or smth like that..this would draw me to a cup with lower quality ?
Buffs said that 14 of ur top quality players are taken to do the average Q for the cup, is that how it works and if so.. what to do?
maybe If i keep my skill points and asign em in the start of the new season ?
I'm not going to buy scouts so ya... transfer market is the only chance to fix the team.

So ya.. main question is.. The best 14 of ur team count or its the whole team.. ?

The number of CUP Trophies = The number of CL Trophies...

So the number of people winning the CUP = The number of people winning the CL...

So probability of winning the CUP is = to the probability of winning the CL...

So the conclusion is :

Difficulty level of CUP = the difficulty level of CL...:)...;)...

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Originally Posted by BeckStar

So ya.. main question is.. The best 14 of ur team count or its the whole team.. ?

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The best 14 of your players are counted while making your CUP draw...

But I doubts this theory...:)...

Obviouslly... but people still having hard times to win the cup.

K think i figured out the main reason.
Champions league draw starting with 32 teams.
Cup starts with 128 teams.
So basiclly the cup is 4x harder than CL.

The Cup is most competitive I think because it has more players in it of a similar quality and, for managers that develop their teams, it means higher level teams (usually the lower or mid quality teams of their level). Higher level teams are not necessarily better but they do have access to higher level players.

I'd imagine that artificially managing your quality works best if you go really low (not low enough and you could get caught out) - then YOU are trying to become one of those higher level teams that can improve their quality easier and gain the advantage. (My 3rd team at lvl 3 was so rubbish it was in a lvl 3 Cup whereas my main was in a lvl 6).

I don't know if this is the main problem but I'd guess the main problem with the strategy is you might not get the players you need immediately because the market is so competitive at the start. But you will be with similar quality teams so you have a chance of being OK if you avoid someone with similar strategy.

Btw, I didn't saw that only 14 best players are counted. ;) I said I had been told that but that I didn't personally know it. :cool: I do think its probably right however, since it corresponds to 11 players and 3 subs.

Yah, well.. i'll find out :D Going with my strategy for this season.. lets see what i can do ;P
Anyhow i'll post info of the cup draw once its done so that we know if its the whole team or only thoes 14 players.

As I said, my 3rd team bought no players.....I kept what I got when I took a mid table team in Season 1 - it was in amongst the bots, abandoned and similar sides. It's in the Cup Semi: 0-0 1st leg. Didn't plan it it was just naturally rubbish. XD

My second team which was 1 star better went out in Semi last year and will do same again after losing 1st leg 4-0 - team didn't improve few other teams did.

Good luck.

It's the top 14 players that count for your 'average'.

I know that because last season I had 4 one * players to bring my average down, yet my cup draw was still with teams all 3 levels above me with roughly the same average as my top 14. The one * players were not counted sadly.

Hello there!

I do really ask myselft whether is possible to win the cup. I do always meet one-more-level stronger teams, so I have no chance to beat them. Why do I never meet a lower-level team, but only the stronger one?

Thanks y'all for any help how to win this..

Just jump on this one below and post there with other questions - keeps this together and avoids repitition.

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...w-win-cup.html

I do always meet three-more-level stronger teams.

if you are a good team, you will face higher level teams, its just how it goes!

Do not assign skill points during the season.

When new season begins, assign skill points and buy new five star players or scouts.

That should help get you closer to winning the cup.

14 is the minimum number of players you can have, I guess that is why. (I rather wish it counted the Top 11..:D)

I merged the threads.

Try to play attacking formations (don't play 4-3-3 no one on wings, play 3W-4-3 wide diamond) at away matches. High pressing and normal tackling. Even if you get a 2-2 you'll be lucky. Play a defensive formation (say 5-2mc-2W-1 or 4-5-1V) at home. 1-0 is good, if you concede anything more than 2 goals (if first leg is at home) then play 5-3-2 at away.
I got 2-2(a) and 0-1(h) last season, that goal came to a penalty... So never use hard tackling in cup games.

It is possible with good tactics against stronger teams and some good luck. Took me 23 seasons to win my first and only Cup to date.


KFC Loella. Level 24
14 League Titles
3 Champions Leagues
1 Cup

Few seasons ago I left my team Celtic abandoned with reserves left in 1st squad and few players had yellow triangle due lack of players (1st team ones were injured/suspended/tired). What initially was setup for 1 match, finished up as setup for whole season because I didn't play TE few weeks after that day (due some private reasons). When I got back, I was shocked when found out that my wounded team won the Cup. :cool: :eek:
I've tried to win it for seasons, used tactics, strong players, counter formations, couldn't do it and then suddenly my teams wins it with weak line-up. Once I even tried to decrease avQ to 3* before season start and then bought 5* players, had 2* stronger team than whole competition and got trolled against abandoned 3* team, lost due away goal rule. :mad: After that I changed my priorities in TE, now Cup is very low on that list, I don't care much about it.

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Few seasons ago I left my team Celtic abandoned with reserves left in 1st squad and few players had yellow triangle due lack of players (1st team ones were injured/suspended/tired). What initially was setup for 1 match, finished up as setup for whole season because I didn't play TE few weeks after that day (due some private reasons). When I got back, I was shocked when found out that my wounded team won the Cup. :cool: :eek:
I've tried to win it for seasons, used tactics, strong players, counter formations, couldn't do it and then suddenly my teams wins it with weak line-up. Once I even tried to decrease avQ to 3* before season start and then bought 5* players, had 2* stronger team than whole competition and got trolled against abandoned 3* team, lost due away goal rule. :mad: After that I changed my priorities in TE, now Cup is very low on that list, I don't care much about it.

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Haha cup trols hurt the most, personally i like to win the cup more than anything else.. this is why i was trying to figure out how to do it a year ago.. now it's all clear ;D cup isnt problem anymore.

I'm trying a new tactic this year, buy 2 norgens each season, I will then have the resources to train them (if they're any good) to 8*, maybe even 9*. They will then be in my team for at least 6 seasons, as I will sell them as a 2*. This way I should have enough quality to put out a good squad against tough teams and still have a lower quality average. Also I think having a couple of outstanding players can be better than having a team of 4-5 stars, but we will find out

I've completed 34 seasons so far.

I have 27 league wins, 5 runners up spots, then finished 3rd the other two times.
I have won the Champions League 16 times, been a finalist 21 times, out of 33 seasons (As you don't play CL first season)

In contrast, I have won the Cup just 3 times, been a finalist 5 times. The 3 cup wins all came between levels 2-5, with my finalist showings being last season and in season 9.

That to me just shows how stupid the Cup is. I always have a strong competitive team, but I am almost ALWAYS out of the Cup in the first or second set of games as I am ALWAYS up against teams 2/3/4 levels above me. Its simply impossible to be competitive in the Cup unless you destroy your teams every season, then build them back up. My League and CL record proves to me that in my opinion I have a strong team and know what I'm doing, so its not bad management - its a case that the Cup is fundamentally unfair on teams that are strong.

I don't and have never spent money on this game - and the Cup is a strong reason why. It punishes those that invest time and effort into it by giving them impossible cup draws, whilst those that sign in every now and then are given easier draws and more chance of taking the Cup. I won't destroy my teams each year for a kinder cup draw as I like continuity in my teams and to develop players over time. Its a massive Nordeus own goal.

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I've completed 34 seasons so far.

I have 27 league wins, 5 runners up spots, then finished 3rd the other two times.
I have won the Champions League 16 times, been a finalist 21 times, out of 33 seasons (As you don't play CL first season)

In contrast, I have won the Cup just 3 times, been a finalist 5 times. The 3 cup wins all came between levels 2-5, with my finalist showings being last season and in season 9.

That to me just shows how stupid the Cup is. I always have a strong competitive team, but I am almost ALWAYS out of the Cup in the first or second set of games as I am ALWAYS up against teams 2/3/4 levels above me. Its simply impossible to be competitive in the Cup unless you destroy your teams every season, then build them back up. My League and CL record proves to me that in my opinion I have a strong team and know what I'm doing, so its not bad management - its a case that the Cup is fundamentally unfair on teams that are strong.

I don't and have never spent money on this game - and the Cup is a strong reason why. It punishes those that invest time and effort into it by giving them impossible cup draws, whilst those that sign in every now and then are given easier draws and more chance of taking the Cup. I won't destroy my teams each year for a kinder cup draw as I like continuity in my teams and to develop players over time. Its a massive Nordeus own goal.

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This just shows how much luck is part of this game.
Your career almost echo's mine, except you have been more successful. I've been playing for 32 seasons, and in the first 30 had only 2 cup wins from 3 finals, it really annoyed me constantly coming up against teams 2 or 3 levels above me season after season.
But, two seasons ago, without changing anything, and still coming up against teams higher than me I won another cup. And I did it again last season as well.
Did nothing different, just the T11 luck shone through.
I destroyed my team (sold most of them) for the first time ever a couple of days ago to see what would happen, and now, looking through the other cup teams, for the first time ever I've got teams levels below me. Won the first leg today 3-0 so hopefully will get through tomorrow and can hit the transfer market the day after and hammer all these 'lesser' teams for a change! :D

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Originally Posted by Siddharth Shanker Singh

The number of CUP Trophies = The number of CL Trophies...

So the number of people winning the CUP = The number of people winning the CL...

So probability of winning the CUP is = to the probability of winning the CL...

So the conclusion is :

Difficulty level of CUP = the difficulty level of CL...:)...;)...

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As explained before,
Cup winner is one out of 128 while CL winner is one out of 112
so cup is in fact slightly more difficult to win.
The numbers don't reflect this difficulty though.

But in reality, cup is more luck-based due to the high variation of team quality and is prone to abuse,
such that it is difficult to win it without sacrificing performance in other competitions.

Against teams that focused all resources on the cup and neglect other competitions, your odds of winning won't be good enough to win it consistantly if you don't do that too, even if your entire team is 9*.

My opinion has been shared before many times lol but just to repeat,,,, cup is the most unfair and nonsense competition because create a "need" to try to have a team with low Q. to do not have a problem as I have every season facing +3 +4 levels......... So cup, do not have any value for me, because is a tournament made, for lower Q. teams of better levels than me that are often 5th-6-7-8th in it's league..... only is fair in the top server when there are many leagues in the top.... and .... thats all.
Basically the sistem creates a "legal empty" that forces players to change hard their squads many times.

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Originally Posted by Amane Ito

As explained before,
Cup winner is one out of 128 while CL winner is one out of 112
so cup is in fact slightly more difficult to win.
The numbers don't reflect this difficulty though.

But in reality, cup is more luck-based due to the high variation of team quality and is prone to abuse,
such that it is difficult to win it without sacrificing performance in other competitions.

Against teams that focused all resources on the cup and neglect other competitions, your odds of winning won't be good enough to win it consistantly if you don't do that too, even if your entire team is 9*.

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CL is competition for 32 teams (8 groups of 4 teams, then knockout for 16 top/2nd teams).

Cup games tend to be the most annoying ones. Just had one where my opponent got an early red card. I dominated the game like mad (double shots and double the shots on target) against this team that is 2 levels higher. He gets to overtime and beats me at penalties 4-2 where my defender is taking penalties instead of the strikers I put up for taking penalties. Grmbllll.

The winning of the cup might be harder, because of the setup. That is a simple fact. However surviving the first three rounds with a good team that is in form is almost an achievement in my book. I have won lots of league and CL titles but not once a cup title.

I won it 3 times and lost my first final last season. Drove me mad as it costed me the treeble. So, I switched to the "tactics" reported here several times: keep your top 7-8 players, sell others, buy the crapest you can get and pray.
And it seemed to be working: the draw I got was the easiest by miles I saw in 12 seasons. I am the huge favourite now.
But to me, this is cheating and I am not proud of myself.
The price to pay is the terrible waste of money when selling your players the last 2 days of the season. And having hard times buying new ones early in the next (when usually I try to avoid transfer market in the first 3-4 days).

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But to me, this is cheating and I am not proud of myself.

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why ?
If the game trolls you (in the cup), then you troll the game
lol

I won the cup with one account the past season and found it easier after trying to tank 2 seasons in a row and being unsucessful at it for some reason. Seriously. I was down to 2 and 3 * players after coming in 7th and 8th and being promoted. I tried to tank both seasons and had issues with winning even with moronic formations and playing with my worst players.

It seems that the lower quality of your team ensures greater success. If you win leagues, you get harder opposition. I prefer that theory over the others.

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Originally Posted by talisman

CL is competition for 32 teams (8 groups of 4 teams, then knockout for 16 top/2nd teams).

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You have overlooked how those teams were selected.

The last season league act as a qualification tournament where 4 out of 14 teams became qualified to the group stage of CL.
So the CL is actually one winner out of 8*14 = 112 teams

In addition to the points addressed by other posters, the difficulty of winning the cup is relative upon what level a manager is or more specifically what the financial awards for each match is at a managers level.

Financial match award, relative to win bonus is lower at higher levels so several manager at higher levels can't afford to max that win bonus as often as they could at lower levels. So if a manager can afford to put win bonuses on max; they'll have an easier time advancing into the later rounds of the cup, even if the opposition manager has higher quality.

As already mentioned by others, token buyers often leave their quality to high so get placed in higher level cups. But having power-trained players and the win bonus on max can often overcome higher quality teams at higher levels if the level gap isn't to large. Where the difficult arises is late in the tournament when managers start believing they can "WIN" the cup, so a free player that might not max the win bonus in the first few rounds might be doing so in the last 2+ rounds.

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Financial match award, relative to win bonus is lower at higher levels so several manager at higher levels can't afford to max that win bonus as often as they could at lower levels.

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Win bonus has nothing to do with the cup.
Last season I won the cup, only with victories and I gave lv1 , min bonus, only in the first semi and the final.
Actually Beckstar who started this thread, found the solution a bit later and made this post
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...xt-season.html

I read and followed his method and I won some trebles with that way.
Actually, it doesn't need so much money or sources but is a different way of playing the game because you must use only 15-16 active players.
I don't know if this can be done in higher levels cause there is a lack of many active teams.

I won the cup the last two seasons with no win bonus in any games, it can be done.
You have to make sure that you lower your team average sufficiently going into the draw though.
Here's my first day of the season squad a couple of days ago, a low 3* average
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Originally Posted by gogs67

I won the cup the last two seasons with no win bonus in any games, it can be done.
You have to make sure that you lower your team average sufficiently going into the draw though.
Here's my first day of the season squad a couple of days ago, a low 3* average
Attachment 55841

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I know, that's 1 year old post someone brought up haha

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I know, that's 1 year old post someone brought up haha

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your other post/guide is invisible
LOL

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

your other post/guide is invisible
LOL

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haha really ? i can see it :o

I mean in a metaphoric way
haha
It seems that only you, me and a couple of other guys can read it .