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Today I've been eliminated from the CL and I don't understant why.
I've been classified #3 but I think I should be classified #2.
I have the same amount of points as my opponent, I have better goal average, and I beat him 3-0 and was defeated 3-4.
So, why am I eliminated ?????????????????
If your 3-4 loss was at your home, then he wins on away goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierry Morales
No, I won 3-0 at home and lost 3-4 in his ground
Here are the rules.
Classifications and progression are not finalised until all Group Matches are completed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Harrison
a) 7 points each : equal
b) me bp 11 bc 8 (+3) / him bp 9 bc 13 (-4)
c) 3-0 / 3-4 : I should be qualified, shouldn't I ???
Base on that and as long as its not possible for the 4th placed team to exceed or match 7 points, yes should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierry Morales
You'll know the final outcome at the start of the new day.
All matches have been played in my group, but I am still #3.
I don't understand why :(
Restart the app and see if it updates or wait until the start of the new day or post a screenie of the table and relevant fixtures between tied teams..Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierry Morales
I have restarted the app several times
It should be OK. You can only wait until the start of the new Day for confirmation.
Until then all we could do is check that you've not made a mistake (which I doubt based on what you've said) and we'd need the screenies of the table and matches to do that.
The only other 'rule' in the real CL that can apply is if the 2 tied clubs are tied on everything and its the last group game - then the match goes to extra time and penalties but again I can't see how that would apply in your case.
What happens when the same condition arises in real life CL...The same will happen in TOP11...:)...
Lol, you didn't say there were 3 teams tied! (I did raise the possibility of the 3rd team matching 7 pts in early post).
I'm afraid thats a nightmare to check and we'd need every game result involving the 3 teams to do it. And its not worth the effort.
If you want to try then you need to apply the rules given to all three tied teams.....again, really not worth the effort.
Just wait until the start of the new day - the system will work it out and confirm final standings.
This gets asked so much, they put it on the main News: Champions League rankings - Top Eleven be a Football Manager
Ah right, that makes it easier. 3 teams are tied, so you take out results vs the top team. Whoever it was that beat the top team will be out (-3 points off their total). And if it was a different team that drew the top team (-1 point), they'll be out tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Thierry Morales
I beat Kiro 3-0 / 3-4 (6-4 on aggregate)
I beat Galatasaray 4-0 / 0-1 (4-1 on aggregate)
So I think I should be qualified.
Pete, where is it written you take out the results vs the top team ???
Here's the relevant bit from the OFFICIAL NEWS page I linked up there:
"The winner of each stage and the position of each team in the rankings is determined by the following:
1. Higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question;
2. Higher goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question;
3. Higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question;
4. Higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches played among the teams in question;
5. If, after applying criteria 1) to 4) to several teams, two teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1) to 4) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the two teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 6) and 7) apply;
6. Higher goal difference from all group matches played;
7. Higher number of goals scored from all group matches played"
Months ago if 2 teams , the 2nd and 3rd had 9 points the goal differance was the thing to look... but thats not real so they changed the rules, and now, it's suposed the the rule is the goal average, between the teams involved in the draw, so, if you won 3-0 and loose 4-3, ou have to be 2nd...
only if the 1st have the same points as the 2nd and the 3rd you can be 3rd, because you have to delete all the matches of all teams against the 4th and do the classification again only with 3 teams for example if 3 teams have 10 points.
EDITED:
wellI see the pic of the draw between 3 teams, so do the clasification again but without count the matches against the 1st and sure that you have less points than the 2nd, or not better goal differance.
"The winner of each stage and the position of each team in the rankings is determined by the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierry Morales
1. Higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question; ..."
So you had 2 wins and 2 losses vs the other 2 teams. That give you 6 points. By inference, you had a draw with Eugene.
The other 2 teams earned 3 points each against you. They get another point each from a draw between one another. So whoever won the other game between them has 7 points, and goes through - I'm afraid you're out.
Kiro lost twice against Eugene
Galatasaray won once and lost once against Eugene
I lost once and had a draw against Eugene.
Indeed if you take out Eugene's matches I am out and Kiro in.
But to me that's neither fair nor logical.
It's the same rules as UEFA use in the real Champions League though. But I agree, it's a shame performances against the top team in this case don't count - I could understand it more if there was one rubbish team in 4th, and 3 teams tied at the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierry Morales
Anyway, thanks for everybody's help and replies.
IT LOOKS harsh to me Thierry better luck next time never happened to me yet !!!!!
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Originally Posted by Phil Scrivener
Thank you Phil.
I hope you'll never be confronted to this ugly situation !!
Same problem here. Bugs on goal difference
