Has playing a DMC worked for you defensively?

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08-04-2014
Sol Survivor

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Has playing a DMC worked for you defensively?

Interested to know if anyone who was shipping lots of goals, decided to implement a DMC in to their formation, and then saw an improvement in conceding less goals?

I currently play a 3-5-2 as per the screenshot below, but seem to be letting in more goals than I used to. This could be because I used to play the above formation but with a DML and DMR instead of a ML and MR but I made that change as I was struggling to score goals in the first half, then was pushing the DML and DMR up the field anyway in the 2nd half, so I'm wondering whether to drop out one of my centre midfielders for a DMC. Thoughts people? Also be interested if people think i might have a few too many red arrows on my midfield players?

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08-04-2014
Siddharth Shanker Singh

Remove all the RED arrow's then your MC's will participate in the defense also resulting in better defense and less goals conceded...:)...

And while playing this formation even out the stats of your MC's...:)...
08-04-2014
Sol Survivor

Ok thanks. Any chance though that this will negatively impact on my goals scored?
08-04-2014
Siddharth Shanker Singh

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Originally Posted by Sol Survivor

Ok thanks. Any chance though that this will negatively impact on my goals scored?

I don't think there will be any negative impact on the goal scored...But you might score more...:)...
08-04-2014
RJSlow

It is possible to push too many players forward and they get in each others way. First do what Sid said and take all those arrows off
08-04-2014
Philip L. Willis

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There is a fatigue/condition/spatial price for arrows.

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Originally Posted by RJSlow

It is possible to push too many players forward and they get in each others way. First do what Sid said and take all those arrows off

I would let the Red arrows of the left and right MC go, and consider just Red arrowing the center MC to act as an AMC on attack. There is a fatigue/condition/spatial price for arrows.

You have your STs already covering the spot where you put the left/right MCs with reds, so its overkill, it's a bit like chess or checkers. Covering attack areas is somewhat similar to Zonal Defense, but the reverse, being or attacking where they are not. Check this out if you haven't already done it, a simple good piece on Zonal by Accyrover (View Profile: Accyrover - Top Eleven Forum)

http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...-part-1-a.html

Arrows have a weight to them, overkill on arrows will start to appear around the 70th to 75th minute. I am sure you would have noticed, the fitter team will usually make the difference at this juncture of time. Arrows are not freebies, the players have to cover more ground and thus will be less efficient and take more time in getting back to their default position.

If you can get the desired GOAL with less arrows then use less arrows!

Of course I cannot see the individual attributes of all of your midfielders, so again my two cents is based on all your Ms being equal.

P.S. By the way blueing your ML/R will stop their GOALs against you if they have attacking AMs/Ms Wingers!

"Defend where they are! Hit 'em where they ain't!" ~ P.L. Willis
08-04-2014
Cat Harrison

That answer is so much better than mine.

Yep, I like DMc's and sometimes will field 2 or 3 of them. :D
08-04-2014
Celtic

In real life no team plays with 2 pure strikers, rather with
-one trequartista like Maradona, also known as the 10, equivalent to an AMC
-one matador like Higuain, also known as the 9 or 11, the Striker

In real life your team would be a defensive nightmare, you have only 3 centre backs, you have no wingbacks and no defensive midfielders. Plus, your wingers seem to be only attacking.
08-04-2014
Sol Survivor

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Originally Posted by Celtic

In real life no team plays with 2 pure strikers, rather with
-one trequartista like Maradona, also known as the 10, equivalent to an AMC
-one matador like Higuain, also known as the 9 or 11, the Striker

In real life your team would be a defensive nightmare, you have only 3 centre backs, you have no wingbacks and no defensive midfielders. Plus, your wingers seem to be only attacking.

In real life lol. We could be here all day if we compared Top 11 to real life mate. If top 11 was close to accurate to real life, you would be able to use blue arrows and red arrows at the same time, as lets face it, wing backs, or wide players also asked to defend, go back and forth down the flanks so they'd have blue arrows and red arrows in place at the same time.
By the way, the formation I laid out is how Van Gaal has had Man Utd lined up in pre season, 3-5-2 with the two wing backs actually positioned to start on the left and right of the midfield in one long line of 5. And then of course before the game he would have drawn an arrow going back and an arrow going forward on the white board ;)
08-04-2014
Davy Gravy

When I play a 3 x DC, I always have a DMC in front of them.
08-04-2014
Sol Survivor

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I can't help but laugh. Took the advice of all your posts on board and removed all the red arrows from my midfield 5 with the exception of the middle CM. I kept his red arrow as he also happens to play the role of AM so thought he was the logical choice to bomb forward.

Well I got thumped in the Champions League 5-2! I think in 4 seasons that's the first time I've conceded 5 goals! His team is rated 32.4 and my team 29.2 although if you compare our top 11 his team is rated 34.3 while mine is rated 33.4

To make matters worse his formation is just stupid! (see image below).

Back to the drawing board I think. Might consider a DCM after all and maybe some blue arrows and definitely a new goalie who rated 4! And generally never rates above 5 even though he's 5* and rated 35!

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08-04-2014
Siddharth Shanker Singh

This is the reason why I avoid giving advise...LoL...;)...
08-04-2014
Buffs Mad

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Originally Posted by Sol Survivor

In real life lol. We could be here all day if we compared Top 11 to real life mate. If top 11 was close to accurate to real life, you would be able to use blue arrows and red arrows at the same time, as lets face it, wing backs, or wide players also asked to defend, go back and forth down the flanks so they'd have blue arrows and red arrows in place at the same time.
By the way, the formation I laid out is how Van Gaal has had Man Utd lined up in pre season, 3-5-2 with the two wing backs actually positioned to start on the left and right of the midfield in one long line of 5. And then of course before the game he would have drawn an arrow going back and an arrow going forward on the white board ;)

They kinda do but not quite. You can set team mentality in Orders and enhance the player 'mentality' with arrows.
08-04-2014
Gintaras Račas

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Originally Posted by Sol Survivor

I can't help but laugh. Took the advice of all your posts on board and removed all the red arrows from my midfield 5 with the exception of the middle CM. I kept his red arrow as he also happens to play the role of AM so thought he was the logical choice to bomb forward.

Well I got thumped in the Champions League 5-2! I think in 4 seasons that's the first time I've conceded 5 goals! His team is rated 32.4 and my team 29.2 although if you compare our top 11 his team is rated 34.3 while mine is rated 33.4

To make matters worse his formation is just stupid! (see image below).

Back to the drawing board I think. Might consider a DCM after all and maybe some blue arrows and definitely a new goalie who rated 4! And generally never rates above 5 even though he's 5* and rated 35!

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That's because 3-5-2F is a poor formation in general and omg you HAVE AMC/MC and played him in MC?? What's your problem? Just putting him upwards and playing 3-4-1-2 would've resulted in a much better score....
08-04-2014
Pete Cresswell

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Originally Posted by Sol Survivor

I can't help but laugh. Took the advice of all your posts on board and removed all the red arrows from my midfield 5 with the exception of the middle CM. I kept his red arrow as he also happens to play the role of AM so thought he was the logical choice to bomb forward.

Well I got thumped in the Champions League 5-2! I think in 4 seasons that's the first time I've conceded 5 goals! His team is rated 32.4 and my team 29.2 although if you compare our top 11 his team is rated 34.3 while mine is rated 33.4

To make matters worse his formation is just stupid! (see image below).

Back to the drawing board I think. Might consider a DCM after all and maybe some blue arrows and definitely a new goalie who rated 4! And generally never rates above 5 even though he's 5* and rated 35!

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Not really surprising - you need 4 defenders (one can be a blue-arrowed DMC) against 3 strikers, all he has to do is kick long balls down and force 1-on-1s. And he has a DMC to mark your MC ranging forward, and 3 defenders (up until the injury/sending off) to cover your 2 strikers. On the flip side you probably had more possession in midfield, but that doesn't always translate into goals.
08-04-2014
Mirrowka

Man, you have 4 MCs with free role basically asigned.... 1 is enough if you dont play flanks... if you do , MR - ML is enough .. .jesus... why ?
08-04-2014
Skidz

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I nearly always play with a DMC it is most essential to my 3w-1-4w-2 formation!, it acts as extra cover for my defence and links up with my attacking midfield, you can play a blue arrow on him if you want to be more defensive but in general I play with a red the same as all for midfield and strikers.
I prefer to get him with the playmaker SA if possible but its not essential, you can always tweak your orders to how attacking/ defencive you wish to play which is how I do it.

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08-04-2014
Mo Avengers

I also play a dmc in most matches he usually does very well !!!!!
08-04-2014
Celtic

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Originally Posted by Sol Survivor

how Van Gaal has had Man Utd lined up in pre season, 3-5-2 with the two wing backs actually positioned to start on the left and right of the midfield in one long line of 5.

MLs and MRs are supposed to be offensive units backed by DLs and DRs...

What people call 3-5-2 is something more like this... in real life.

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↑ ST ↑ AMC ↑ MC MC ↑ ↑ DML DMC DMR DC DC DC ↓ GK

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08-04-2014
Celtic

This would also be accurate

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↑ ST ↑ ↑ AMC AMR MC ↑ ↑ DML DMC DMR DC DC DC ↓ GK
08-05-2014
Sol Survivor

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ok well new tighter formation starting today. Lets see how I go.......

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08-05-2014
ninjaa

That's an interesting formation. I have a hard time setting asymmetric formations myself but they can be effective. Just my opinion, but if that ST is right footed I'd play him on the right, unless the defense is weaker on the left (or right from other team's perspective). It's your team though, set it up how you like it most, and how it works best for you.
08-05-2014
Philip L. Willis

Well that was a tough lost, but please also include your tactics... that is probably as important as formations and arrows!
08-05-2014
Philip L. Willis

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Originally Posted by Sol Survivor

ok well new tighter formation starting today. Lets see how I go.......

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I'm sticking my neck out again, maybe for you to chop, but NOT good. Not the best formation you can play.
08-05-2014
Sol Survivor

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Originally Posted by Philip L. Willis

I'm sticking my neck out again, maybe for you to chop, but NOT good. Not the best formation you can play.

I've got 3 games tomorrow, tough cup game, tough CL game and playing 1st in my league who's got a 100% record so far this season, so we'll see how the formation stacks up. I have to admit I won't get ahead of myself, but I played a game in the league tonight and kept a clean sheet and smashed them 6-0. My AM was MOM and scored twice and my RM had a good game and scored twice as well. I'm not getting carried away though as my team had a much higher rating than them.
08-05-2014
Sol Survivor

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Originally Posted by ninjaa

That's an interesting formation. I have a hard time setting asymmetric formations myself but they can be effective. Just my opinion, but if that ST is right footed I'd play him on the right, unless the defense is weaker on the left (or right from other team's perspective). It's your team though, set it up how you like it most, and how it works best for you.

Yes he is left footed. He had a fairly average game to be honest tonight though, but my midfield were amazing and we won 6-0 so he didn't need to shine....
08-05-2014
Brian Dang

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

That answer is so much better than mine.

Yep, I like DMc's and sometimes will field 2 or 3 of them. :D

Especially play against ND..hehe.. 2DMCs are perfect...
08-07-2014
Sol Survivor

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Originally Posted by Philip L. Willis

I'm sticking my neck out again, maybe for you to chop, but NOT good. Not the best formation you can play.

Unfortunately I think we're going to have to sever your head from your body. Since switching to that formation;

P5 W4 D0 L1 F14 A3

Only defeat came against the guy who tops my league, is higher rated than me, 100% record this season, and I think is a token buyer, plus he switched the ko time to when I was asleep so I wasn't able to watch the game.

My attacking midfielder seems to love this formation, and there seems to be a new found solidness defensively, so perhaps a DMC won't be necessary.....