Question about tie-breaking system.

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08-21-2014
andrewh

Question about tie-breaking system.

I know you are clicking this thinking it is another away goal tiebreaker question. It is not!

In my CL semi, I won the first game at home 2-1. In the second game, my opponent won at home 2-1. So we even tied the away goal tiebreaker at 1-1!

Then we went on and played an extra period in which neither of us scored. Then we had a penalty shootout.

The extra period surprised me. I thought we would go straight into the penalty kicks because we had tied for the series.

My question is:

Was the extra period completely independent of the second game? It didn't occur to me at the time, but I am now thinking that if my opponent had outscored me in the extra time, I would have lost the whole series. I had been playing as if all I needed to do was score one more goal to win the away goal tiebreaker and that the number of goals my opponent scored was irrelevant.

Thanks for replies.
08-21-2014
Cat Harrison

Whomever scored in extra time would win, and the shootout would not occur.
08-21-2014
andrewh

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

Whomever scored in extra time would win, and the shootout would not occur.

So essentially the game was over at 2-1 and the extra time was like a little mini game for the series. A 1-1 tie in the extra time would have also led to penalty kicks.

I realized this on my own, but it took until after the game. Is how this game played out (the extra time) something normal in tournaments outside of Nordeus that most fans would immediately recognize and understand? Or is it a very unclear situation where a newbie is at a severe disadvantage?

Also doesn't the little mini tie-breaker game (the extra time) in the second game give the home team of the second game an advantage? This is why I assumed we would immediately go to penalty kicks.
08-21-2014
russ2000_uk

If you had both scored in extra time, the away goal would have counted.

You have to be a bit careful with this is football, as it changes constantly and may actually be different depending on the competition.
08-21-2014
Buffs Mad

Article 8
Away goals and extra time under the knockout system
8.01 For matches played under the knockout system, if the two teams involved in a
tie score the same number of goals over the two legs, the team which scores
more away goals qualifies for the next stage. If this procedure does not
produce a result, i.e. if both teams score the same number of goals at home
and away, two 15-minute periods of extra time are played at the end of the
second leg. If, during extra time, both teams score the same number of goals,
away goals count double (i.e. the visiting club qualifies). If no goals are scored
during extra time, kicks from the penalty mark (Article 17) determine which
club qualifies for the next stage.
08-21-2014
andrewh

Thank you everyone and thank you Buffs.

Now I understand the rules that were applied.

Now I understand that there are not uniform rules applied throughout the sport, that everyone understands this, and that it is the individual's responsibility to understand which rules apply to their current circumstances.

The rules that Buffs quoted are from UEFA. Does T11 follow all UEFA rules for tiebreakers?

If I run into a similar situation again where I do not understand the rules, how do I learn what they are? Other than asking here? :) If T11 is going to enforce rules, shouldn't the rules be posted somewhere or post that UEFA tiebreakers apply?
08-21-2014
Simon 'Pasta' Creegan

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Originally Posted by andrewh

The rules that Buffs quoted are from UEFA. Does T11 follow all UEFA rules for tiebreakers?

I should bloody hope so! :p I mean, what kind of Football Game wouldn't follow UEFA Competition Rules? I, for one, would be astounded, if they DIDN'T follow UEFA Rules.
08-21-2014
Buffs Mad

T11's Champions League uses UEFA Champions League Rules - they are posted as a pdf on UEFA site prior to each rl CL. (Group stage tiebreaker is covered in Article 7, Knockout as above in Article 8). T11 also did an article on CL Group stage tie-breaker on the website.

Here it is: http://www.topeleven.com/news/champions_league/
08-21-2014
andrewh

So let me please answer my own questions to see if I understand now. Would you all please let me know if I got them right? Thanks. Oh, and this might also lead to another question or two.

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Originally Posted by andrewh

So essentially the game was over at 2-1 and the extra time was like a little mini game for the series.

The answer to this is yes.

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Originally Posted by andrewh

A 1-1 tie in the extra time would have also led to penalty kicks.

The answer to this one is no. The away team would have won on the away goal rule. Away goals count double?
So a 2-1 home team lead in the extra time would have led to penalty kicks and a 3-2 home team lead would give series victory to away team?

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Originally Posted by andrewh

Also doesn't the little mini tie-breaker game (the extra time) in the second game give the home team of the second game an advantage?

I did not realize that the away goal rule would also apply here. If away goals count double, I call that a large advantage to the away team. I understand that no one likes a game decided by penalty kick shootout, but a coin flip might be preferable to actual game in which one side is given a large advantage.
08-21-2014
Buffs Mad

Yep the ET period means: the winner of the period wins, a no goals scored draw means penalties and a scorind draw means a win for the way team.

FWIW, in ET the home side have home advantage and the away side have away goals rule. Same as irl. T11 programmes in the home advantage but its easier to subvert it than it is irl (even if there is such a thing in either) so its questionable.

But its easier for them to take UEFA rules off the shelf
08-21-2014
CMSpunk

Essentially, yes, this WAS another question about the tie breaking system...
08-21-2014
andrewh

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Originally Posted by CMSpunk

Essentially, yes, this WAS another question about the tie breaking system...

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Originally Posted by andrewh

I know you are clicking this thinking it is another away goal tiebreaker question. It is not!
Thanks for replies.

I never claimed it was not a tie breaker question. I named the thread "Question about tie-breaking system". I claimed it was not about the away goal rule because it went past the typical away goal rule questions. :) :p

But you do have a point because the away goal rule did come back into the discussion.
08-21-2014
huyenham

scored in extra time to win always if air ratio is still new to shootout