Power T vs Scout

Earlier I raised a thread for Power T vs Personal T.
Unanimously everybody says it is more economical for Power T.

Now if I have a 5 star player and wants to Power him to 6 star.
In terms of purchasing Rest (I still think 46T for 50 rests is bloody ex), how many would I need before he moves to 6 star.
Of course it depends on what quality in the 5 star, whether he just turns 5 star or nearing 6 star.

I would think it is more economical to spend 50T on a 6 star Scout; but on the other hand I am being offered **** Scouts.

So PT vs Scouts ?

Unanimously everybody says it is more economical for Power T.

It is not true or depend, if you will start with a player with SA, yes it is, if won't, is not at all.

if the player has SA, it sure worth power training players when he is 18 yo.. if not , that is an extra 50 skills points difference to be calculated .. remember meanwhile, you will still spend some tokens when bidding, and in some you even may fail and you can end up paying 20-30T for good players (counting other failed bids too) .. you will not have that hassle when buying a scout player

It's a case of buying 18-19 year-olds with quality ending in 4 or 9 vs 22-25 year old scouts with quality ending 4 or 9 that are already 75 skill points ahead of the 18-19 year-old, It probably cost 120T to bring an 18-19 year-old to a high end scout via Power Training and not forgetting the purchase price of the player from the auctions.

I'd say the scouts just 'edge' it, because of the cost initally to get the 18-19 year-old to 7*

depends buddy

Scout will last for 3 seasons 100%. Saves time for PT. He can play at once, ASAP he joins to the crew. PT will last 4-5 days. SC will not progress much in 5-6 days but still counts. Also red tokens may be needed for PT. SC has already great skills+SA.

Second mind is that SC and player can be low mark high skill players...that is risk Each SC and PT have.

My choice is SC. Without PT he will make progress ~30points till end of the league, and PT will last 4-6 days+bid wars.

Are girl guides harder to train than scouts, they certainly seem to have the better SA's. :D

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

It's a case of buying 18-19 year-olds with quality ending in 4 or 9 vs 22-25 year old scouts with quality ending 4 or 9 that are already 75 skill points ahead of the 18-19 year-old, It probably cost 120T to bring an 18-19 year-old to a high end scout via Power Training and not forgetting the purchase price of the player from the auctions.

I'd say the scouts just 'edge' it, because of the cost initally to get the 18-19 year-old to 7*

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exactly... and let us don't forget the no. of Ts we will pay for failed bidding and the winning bidding itself
have to say if i bought an 18 yo who is 4* (on border of 5*) sure he will be as good when 20 years just by playing regularly and training when rested compared to having a 6* scout at age of 22 and 23
so on the long term buying scouts is not a great solution .. i feel it is more about giving more quality at the team while developing the other kids to survive and be competitive in the league

Scouts is much more effective, yet I rarely see any good scouts until mid season. I only buy scouts in the beginning of the season to take full advantage of owning him and get more skill points. I power train players because they are young, and a player that I want to have in my squad for a long time. I don't know how it takes 5,6 days to PT but I got a near 6 star 19yo with SA the most expensive in value compared to his equivalents and less than 2 days I got him to 7 stars. Hard training as much as I can usually gets 30-40 points for stretching, 50-80 for cardio and 90-120 for match practice. I try to keep his condition above 90 before each training and I notice the better results. If stretching and match practice are both available at once I would train match practice first, refill his condition then stretch. Sometimes if the availability of the heavy training is coming soon after the lighter training I would wait a little bit. I wonder if Match practice will give better results if the whole team was training at once. Also anyone know why the player has sometimes train better sometimes worse? After resting my player for one day, he has picked up his pace again. July Forth you have vast experience in this can you explain? I'm sure everyone would like to know the most effective way of burning green boosters.

lol i prefere to buy a scout with 50 tokens not to buy green boosters... rise your hole team not only 1 player !

Thank you for all your replies.

Very good analogy and reasoning.
KataBeachBoy I wld luv to train GG too.

So final conclusion - Scouts
But problem is my Scouts list currently 18 players
GK (2) - 22 yo and 28 yo
DC/DR (1) - 28 yo
DC (3) - 28 yo, 29 yo, 28 yo (1 with DMC)
MC (4) - 27 yo, 28 yo, 29 yo, 27 yo
DMC/DMR/DML (2) - 26 yo, 28 yo
DML (1) - 29 yo
AML (2) - 28 yo, 28 yo
ST (3) - 26 yo, 28 yo, 29 yo

Another thing related is that usually Scouts performs well. I just question the personal skills points system because Scouts are all rounded in all 3 fields. Comparing personal skills some of the scouts don't match players that you train and distribute the points the way you want. For example my 5* ST is better in Attack and Physical than the Scouts which in real life and everyone's mindset is enuff to be asked of a ST. If all around is the right way of training then why I need to distribute points myself? Or if its other way around then only MC is worth the buy.

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Originally Posted by boblim130

Thank you for all your replies.

Very good analogy and reasoning.
KataBeachBoy I wld luv to train GG too.

So final conclusion - Scouts
But problem is my Scouts list currently 18 players
GK (2) - 22 yo and 28 yo
DC/DR (1) - 28 yo
DC (3) - 28 yo, 29 yo, 28 yo (1 with DMC)
MC (4) - 27 yo, 28 yo, 29 yo, 27 yo
DMC/DMR/DML (2) - 26 yo, 28 yo
DML (1) - 29 yo
AML (2) - 28 yo, 28 yo
ST (3) - 26 yo, 28 yo, 29 yo

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you have a poor scout list at present, I would not suggest signing a scout over the age of 25.

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Originally Posted by fmldotcom

Scouts is much more effective, yet I rarely see any good scouts until mid season. I only buy scouts in the beginning of the season to take full advantage of owning him and get more skill points. I power train players because they are young, and a player that I want to have in my squad for a long time. I don't know how it takes 5,6 days to PT but I got a near 6 star 19yo with SA the most expensive in value compared to his equivalents and less than 2 days I got him to 7 stars. Hard training as much as I can usually gets 30-40 points for stretching, 50-80 for cardio and 90-120 for match practice. I try to keep his condition above 90 before each training and I notice the better results. If stretching and match practice are both available at once I would train match practice first, refill his condition then stretch. Sometimes if the availability of the heavy training is coming soon after the lighter training I would wait a little bit. I wonder if Match practice will give better results if the whole team was training at once. Also anyone know why the player has sometimes train better sometimes worse? After resting my player for one day, he has picked up his pace again. July Forth you have vast experience in this can you explain? I'm sure everyone would like to know the most effective way of burning green boosters.

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Let's say we buy 2 players and we have a combined 200T each to power train them both.

Both players we buy are 10 skill points from the next star. We buy a 22 y.o. scout 6*99 for 50T and a 18 y.o. 5*94 for 25T (assuming average costs for bidding wars, etc)

That leaves us with 150T to spend on a 6*99 scout and 175T to spend on a 5*94 18 y.o. Lets say we exchange the tokens for 1 for 1 basis on green boosters for Power Training.

On average the scout will take 25 boosters to hit 7* and the young 18 year old will need 15 boosters for 6* meaning the scout has 125 boosters left and the 18 year old has 160 left once both players gain the 10 skill points needed for the next star.

The scout will gain approx 1 skill point for 3 boosters while at 7* and the 18 year old will take 1.5 boosters for a skill point at 6*. Scout gains say 45 skill points and the 18 year old will gan 90 because growth will slow once reached 7*, Therefore the scout bought will still be 30 skill points ahead after 200T invested in both players. I think with another 100T the 18 year-old will overtake the scout in training progress.

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Originally Posted by boblim130

Thank you for all your replies.

Very good analogy and reasoning.
KataBeachBoy I wld luv to train GG too.

So final conclusion - Scouts
But problem is my Scouts list currently 18 players
GK (2) - 22 yo and 28 yo
DC/DR (1) - 28 yo
DC (3) - 28 yo, 29 yo, 28 yo (1 with DMC)
MC (4) - 27 yo, 28 yo, 29 yo, 27 yo
DMC/DMR/DML (2) - 26 yo, 28 yo
DML (1) - 29 yo
AML (2) - 28 yo, 28 yo
ST (3) - 26 yo, 28 yo, 29 yo

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They definitely should be wearing skirts like those on my list.

It seems like the average training speed for an 18 y.o. is about double of a 22 y.o. scout, A big advantage of buying an 18 y.o. will be that he will be in your team for 4 more seasons than your scout if you kept him at a 6*/7*+ quality with the help of some power training each season.

And you can focus the skill points on what you think is important. have you figured out about all around balanced or individual aspect focused which one is better for skill points?

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Originally Posted by fmldotcom

And you can focus the skill points on what you think is important. have you figured out about all around balanced or individual aspect focused which one is better for skill points?

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I think all rounders tend to be the best players, they will be equally as good with all their skills.

Yah! Sadly I feel the same but I just can't do it because it don't make sense to me. So annoying when it Seems like my ST is playing in illegal position because he lacks defending skills.

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Originally Posted by fmldotcom

Yah! Sadly I feel the same but I just can't do it because it don't make sense to me. So annoying when it Seems like my ST is playing in illegal position because he lacks defending skills.

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My strikers had 12 points in attack/mental over defence, I'm in the process of reducing this back to 9, hopefully it can increase the productivity of the all around game of a striker rather than just their attacking skills.

Ok I understand if you playing a false 9 but I play lone ST. I forbid him to think of defense. I know you are right but then what's the point of distributing points ourselves then? you are brave though. props!!! Have you checked out some of the other top scorers and compare. Their stats vs skills? I saw your strikers and they were doing very good with the unbalanced skills. I just don't think I can do it.... Grrrrr

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Originally Posted by fmldotcom

Ok I understand if you playing a false 9 but I play lone ST. I forbid him to think of defense. I know you are right but then what's the point of distributing points ourselves then? you are brave though. props!!! Have you checked out some of the other top scorers and compare. Their stats vs skills? I saw your strikers and they were doing very good with the unbalanced skills. I just don't think I can do it.... Grrrrr

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Yes I used to have more or less balanced skills in the lower levels of the game but recently I thought I would trial out 'unbalanced' skills on all players, weight defense to defenders and weight attack to strikers to see if it is more productive for strikers to score more etc, I think you should not weight your players more than 10 points from best to worst... A 95 quality defender could have 100 def, 90 att, 95 p&m. but I wouldn't go something like 110 def, 90 att, 90 p&m for a defender.

Some players I have it worse if I had them for long time. But my defenders are fine, just the 3 St are really making me angry. I guess I'm more attack minded and I don't mind the attacking ability on defenders but couldn't stand defending abilities on ST. maybe I get a new ST and try him out. Do keep us updated with this subject beginning of next season as I believe you won't be finishing your adjustments?

I think if I put 50 SP into a new role it would not effect the speed of my player's training? Any one Know? If so it wouldn't be so bad.

Surely it pays to keep the ST strong in defence too, not least for heading ability.