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Hi All
So these are my first U21 Players - what is the Verdict Sign them both?
Mark Bertos
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Roids
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Actually have created space in anticipation of these Players, as sold an AMC and have a DC/DR Retiring at end of season.
So can always fire one of the DC/DR if I sign Bertos.
Thanks
I assume you are level 2... Sign them both... Bertos is the most likely good player and Roydhouse can be useful at your level...
Manager Level 3, but U21 is still at Level 2 yes.
Players are being Signed :D
Thanks Steppenwolf.
only sign the free one and sell him. Find a player on auction, you have 21 tokens to bid for one or more players with better skillssets
NEVER under any circumstance pay tokens for an academy player, it's a total rip off.
As for the 0 token, sign him then immediately sell.
At his level 2 he wont be able to buy countless number of 5 stars, unless he is token buyer, not enough money for that... maybe few of them... so that youngster might be advantage comparing to other teams... I signed 3-star ML last season (level 2) with Celtic 1888 and in 33 games he scored 18 goals assisting 4 times with average rating 7.33... My Belgrade United 3rd season DC Rzić played 216 games for the club in 10 seasons and only 2 times played for rating 5 (average rating almost 7.50)... 4th season DC Campanholi played 158 games with average rating over 7.30 in 8 seasons... 3 days ago I signed ST Shibamura for 15 tokens and he already scored 5 goals in 4 games, assisting 2 times... 3 scouts couldn't score more than 5 goals in the last season... and here are few others still in the club...
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Some of these youngsters might happen to be flops, but I sign bunch of close to be scouts nordgen flops every season and two third of them are flops, averaging less than 7.00, often much worse than that...
And here is some more... Last season I bought fast training nordgen ST Massenga and within few days he got scout star (he is 5-star now)... In 19 games he scored only once providing one assist (average rating 6.63)... Two seasons ago I bought ST Edgar (he came out of someone else's Youth Academy, but he decided to sell him most likely 'cause he got few ratings 5) and this is his performance for my team so far...
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You are lucky to have a very good 2* player. This player is usually for immediate sale but he can contribute in your level. Suggest you not to let him grow to 3* (now 13 skill points to 3*).
The 4* player is reasonable one. Personally I think token academy player is not worth for sign unless your team have shortage of cash. If you like signing him, the cost is reasonable. You have plenty of time to train him at this early season to easily make him a 5* player. This potential is reflected in the token cost and starting average quality.
Ended up Signing them both, have a rather Young Team so will see how Training and development goes this season.
Thanks for all the input.
Like in your video's. Well done. I think they are great.Quote:
Originally Posted by BridgeGoth
Personally 21T youth in my experience perform badly over time. I usually sign those 12-18T academy players. Will always sign the free ones for cash.
I am guessing u are packed with DCs. Seems that's how they generate the youth for me. If I need an MC, I'd jst have to make sure I have 4 MCs and they'll give me an MC. So far it has been 100% this way for me. 3-4 players able to play DC, and the setup gives me a DC. Seldom get wingers coz I only keep one for each side.
A bit redundant when u already have many but they give one to u anyway.
In early level you lack money. It is advisable to use the tokens to sign token youth so that you have plenty of money for upgrading the facilities.
I have 3 token youth in my team, they rock. You can play normal, powertrain, anything and their form are usually clean unless you make major mistakes.
But I don't sign token youth near the end of the season unless he plays exactly the position I was seeking for.
Yeah, signing youngsters too close to the end of the season might be waste of tokens, specially if they are 3-stars... You will need more than 150 green treatments to power train them to scout star... Also, 99% of MC players in the game play poor, so will MC youngsters too lol...
MC playing poor is usually caused by misplaced position or wrong orders.
I found that the MCs are the most selective about their post and will nearly aways giving poor result if placed on a specific spot. They can only get 7 above consistantly if placed on his favorite spot and with the correct team orders.
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Originally Posted by Qambu Yaasi
Have a pretty good DC selection, but have 2 X DR retiring, so the U21 made a decent enough decision.
Just going to see how it goes, want to just slowly keep on Upgrading and hopefully Winning.
If we're basing it on the 21T player, depending on the transfer market and if the player is in a position desperately needed, you can get some valuable Free Agents, train them till they're gone to increase the value and make them more appealing, then put them on the market at highest value until they sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amane Ito
Rinse and repeat then buy the player you want at a quiet time. May not be instant, but it'd save the tokens if you play it well enough.
I agree. I'm at 4th level right now and I do not sign players for tokens. If it is free, I promptly sign a contract and sell it. At least you can use that money to bid the player that is better your youth.
More stars doesn't mean a player is automatically better, that's silly thinking... Shame I don't have stats saved to show you how Youth Academy token player (had 2 stars at that moment) plays twice better than his scout partner in defence through entire season...Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtic Warrior
Always acquire the 0 token player since he costs nothing to sign and you can sell him for a profit.
Regarding the token player, its a difficult decision because of the cost. From my experience, usually the academy products have good form, whereas nordgens and scouts have been more hit or miss. I've only purchased the 24T players though, but they're 3 for 3 on being good form players...
I sign every Youth product I have a place for on my team, and though the 3 star/ low 4 stars Quality didn't keep up as well, they were still good players that got consitent ratings, and I sold them on for nice money and they continue to be good players on the next team (I have a punchbag that should be called Geriatric FC it gets so many of BvB's older players.) I hate bidding wars.. I just spent like 20T to get an ST, and I would rather he had been a Youth of mine, the $$ savings would have equaled like 160M!! Remember you pay no cash for them, and they are a certain buy where a bidding war you might get NOTHING for your tokens.
And really, you don't need a team full of Scouts to have success. Keeping a lower Q average is a good idea in lower levels, you won't get such hard Cup draws.
Be willing to spending a little time training them and the Youths can be players you keep a long time.
Exactly. Bad management is the major cause of a team being weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppenwolf
Like this guy who wasn't even tanking (all his players are at their preferred position), but he made mistakes in orders and player selection such that the result is horrific.
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Bad form of key players causes more trouble than management... and if your opponents have players in good form, things get worse... I'll try to describe stars in D&D terms... it's like you have 2d12 axe (2 12-sided dices for those who don't have a clue what I am talking about)... so, with 2d12 axe you can hit a mob for 24 HP, if both dices show 12 (look at that 24 as number of stars your player has, it's his potential for best performance, that's what you see)... What you don't see is that 2d12 axe also can hit mob for only 2 HP (that's hidden from you, stars tell you how good player can play, but don't tell you how bad he can perform)... In other hand you have a 4d6 sword (4 normal, 6-sided dices)... If all 4 dices show 6 that means the highest value you hit a mob for is also 24 (it's like both players have same number of stars, tha's what you see)... but what's making difference between them is things you don't see... 4d6 sword's minimal damage is 4, not 2 (if all 4 dices show 1)... and 4 normal dices have less chance to hit max or min damage than 2 12-sided dices... 4 dices have tendency to hit close to average rating more often than 2 12-sided dices...
Now lets translate it to Top 11 terms lol... You have 2 players playing at the same position and they have same number of stars... One is talented (4d6, from Youth Academy) and the other is not (2d12, bought randomly from auction, well, he can be one of talented players too, but that's gamble)... Untalented player might give you rating 9 in one game and then drop to rating 5 in the next game... Youth Academy player will tend to give you more consistent performances (he might get rating 9 less often, but will get less often rating 5 too), so he will float between ratings 6 to 8 (it's also affected by opponent's players quality, talent and form)... Anyway, your tokens, so your choice what you will do with it... So, it's your decision if you will buy a player from auction and spend both tokens and money (higher level you are, bid wars happen more often) or if you will buy Youth Academy player for tokens and negligible amount of money...
My point is, don't take stars as granted... it's just potential for best performance, but stars can't tell you how bad player can be... If I can chose between consistent 4-stars youngster and scout with oscillating form, I'll rather have 4-star...
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