Buying scouts

I had my first cup match today, as I'm level 2 and have an above average team, I've been put with level 4 teams with much higher quality than me :(

One of my strikers is injured and another is 32 and untrainable, so I decided to buy a striker before the game today. There was nothing in the auctions so I bought my first ever scout. He cost 69 tokens + I had to swap a load of tokens to afford the £2Million price tag. He's 22 and I assumed he'd be a good trainer, but he's one of the slowest in my squad. He's faster than my 32 year old striker, but slower than almost everyone else.

Is this bad luck or are scout players rubbish. I assumed he'd be a fast trainer as he cost a fortune and he's been observed by a scout!!! He provided nothing in the game and if he turns out to be a poor performer and a slow trainer then he's worthless...

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A mixture of being a 6* players and being 22yo (I can't remember the full details, but from what I remember reading here, they start to train slower when hitting certain age brackets and when they have a certain amount of stars).

Scout players are rubbish trainers. If you want fast trainers you need to find someone 18-20 of extreme price.
You only buy a scout if you are 1-2 players away from what you think is a special team and that guy can put you over the top. They aren't long term solutions for the most part.

"He's faster than my 32 year old striker"

Quality in stars of this striker? LOL

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Originally Posted by khris

"He's faster than my 32 year old striker"

Quality in stars of this striker? LOL

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3* 15 quality why? I don't get what you mean lol. I trained the 32 year old 15q and 22 year old 33q and with a stretching session the 22 year old got +8 the 32 year old got +4. The +4 was the lowest and the +8 was the 3rd lowest of the entire squad. I know they get harder to train with higher quality, but it seems like he's slower than he should be. It's not like I even went for an older cheaper player. He was the youngest and most expensive striker in the scout list :p

Btw I love your E.T Mourinho sig

Whenever I see it, all I can imagine is Elliott thinking, "Wow... Jose Mourinho is in my basket" and Mourinho is thinking "Hmm... why am I in this basket... and why do I have a blanket around me... lol

The first thing I thought when seeing the title of this thread was "Don't" unless you're desperate for that one player, for this season.

Players slow every star they gain, and also as they age.

Pretty much the only role I consider Mr. Scout's list for is GK.. and he has to play every match, still won't keep up his Quality like a super expensive fast trainer. And lately I've been rethinking that since they are so expensive. Because I'd rather assign points my own way, I think a four or five star with 70T in greens for training is a better deal in the long term.

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Originally Posted by Southampton FC

3* 15 quality why? I don't get what you mean lol. I trained the 32 year old 15q and 22 year old 33q and with a stretching session the 22 year old got +8 the 32 year old got +4. The +4 was the lowest and the +8 was the 3rd lowest of the entire squad. I know they get harder to train with higher quality, but it seems like he's slower than he should be. It's not like I even went for an older cheaper player. He was the youngest and most expensive striker in the scout list :p

Btw I love your E.T Mourinho sig

Whenever I see it, all I can imagine is Elliott thinking, "Wow... Jose Mourinho is in my basket" and Mourinho is thinking "Hmm... why am I in this basket... and why do I have a blanket around me... lol

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LOL
Well, I just asked to... ask, simple curiosity xD

Really trains very slow to have 22 years... I remember when I trained Cocu to the 9*...and If I remember well he won a progress of 5%-10%-15% in hard training 10/20/30% when he had 9* and 21 age ...he was a nordgen, not a scout..

I like to have a variety of academy players + Nordgens + scouts in my team, I really had good experiences with all types of players so, variety xDD

In 11 seasons I've only bought 1 scout. Season 6 I had what I felt like a special team, but was lacking an MC and didn't have a corner specialist. And what do you know... a 22yr old max rated MC with corner shows up on the scout list. I bought him and he was a star for my triple crown team. Season 7 and 8 he was still pretty good, but by season 9 he was pretty much done.

I obviously don't regret spending 50 tokens on him, but it's not something I would want to make a habit of.

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

The first thing I thought when seeing the title of this thread was "Don't" unless you're desperate for that one player, for this season.

Players slow every star they gain, and also as they age.

Pretty much the only role I consider Mr. Scout's list for is GK.. and he has to play every match, still won't keep up his Quality like a super expensive fast trainer. And lately I've been rethinking that since they are so expensive. Because I'd rather assign points my own way, I think a four or five star with 70T in greens for training is a better deal in the long term.

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I've just trained the scout guy. It took 11 green packs to gain 5 skill points (I think they're called skill points, whatever you need 75 of to get a star). When I hear people have thousands of green packs, did they buy them or collect them somehow? I get 10 a day from videos, 1 from a friend and 2 every 4 days or something from my level 1 gym (which I'm going to upgrade to max some day hopefully) Is there any other way of getting them? I never have any spare as the 11 or 12 a day I get are always used for training which only takes a minute.

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Originally Posted by khris

LOL
Well, I just asked to... ask, simple curiosity xD

Really trains very slow to have 22 years... I remember when I trained Cocu to the 9*...and If I remember well he won a progress of 5%-10%-15% in hard training 10/20/30% when he had 9* and 21 age ...he was a nordgen, not a scout..

I like to have a variety of academy players + Nordgens + scouts in my team, I really had good experiences with all types of players so, variety xDD

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I see, wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong or not lol.

How many greens to train to 9*? Did you buy or collect somehow?

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Originally Posted by BridgeGoth

In 11 seasons I've only bought 1 scout. Season 6 I had what I felt like a special team, but was lacking an MC and didn't have a corner specialist. And what do you know... a 22yr old max rated MC with corner shows up on the scout list. I bought him and he was a star for my triple crown team. Season 7 and 8 he was still pretty good, but by season 9 he was pretty much done.

I obviously don't regret spending 50 tokens on him, but it's not something I would want to make a habit of.

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Is it always cheaper to replace rather than train then?

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Originally Posted by Southampton FC

I've just trained the scout guy. It took 11 green packs to gain 5 skill points (I think they're called skill points, whatever you need 75 of to get a star). When I hear people have thousands of green packs, did they buy them or collect them somehow? I get 10 a day from videos, 1 from a friend and 2 every 4 days or something from my level 1 gym (which I'm going to upgrade to max some day hopefully) Is there any other way of getting them? I never have any spare as the 11 or 12 a day I get are always used for training which only takes a minute.

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Dunno, I've never had thousands.. for BvB I go through about 300 a season. Other teams it's either in game only or on a couple I watch vids for greens, adding maybe 30 something to the in game/gifts.

Other than BvB I don't strive to have a solid five star team.

They look more like this, a 35T team, finished 2nd last season:

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I never brought scout because I never have sufficient tokens. It is looked like a great gamble. It you do not satisfy, tokens have been used and there is no turn around. If I have many tokens, I still prefer to use auction market to buy players. Tokens can be used to train. if traing is slow, I can stop wasting tokens and even sell him. The cost is low and this way also has more options and fun

If you want to train up your players, don't buy scouts. Buy a 5 star super fast trainer and start feeding him greens.

Scouts are for "win now" mode, fast trainers can be trained up to 7 star relatively quickly, but don't bother going higher, law of diminishing returns kicks in.

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Originally Posted by Southampton FC

I've just trained the scout guy. It took 11 green packs to gain 5 skill points (I think they're called skill points, whatever you need 75 of to get a star). When I hear people have thousands of green packs, did they buy them or collect them somehow? I get 10 a day from videos, 1 from a friend and 2 every 4 days or something from my level 1 gym (which I'm going to upgrade to max some day hopefully) Is there any other way of getting them? I never have any spare as the 11 or 12 a day I get are always used for training which only takes a minute.

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If the player need 2.2 Green pack (i.e. 36% condition) to gain 1 sp, his training efficiency is only average. Your green packs are better to be used for other players.

If your scout players are 6* and their improvement is slow, he already has sufficient quality to play in your level and you need not to train him if it is not efficiency. Performance is another thing to consider. Even low quality players can be good performer and contributors.

The 'Scout' method has been devalued by the recent change. I used to buy very occasionally @50T seemed to be 'guaranteed' a good player. Now with the T differences it is not viable from an economics or 'opportunity cost' reason. Don't go anywhere near scouts unless you are really really desperate.

You could make this calculation (very round numbers)

69 Tokens = 75 Greens
75 greens = 75x1.2 skillpoint = 90 skillpoints (fasttrainer)

You can make an ordinary 5 star fasttrainer very good for that much tokens, and if hes 18 he will continue developing, an 22 yeared has already halved his learning curve (over the hill)
So in my oppinion Nordgens is best value for money/tokens:cool:

Scout Market players are meant to be Impact Players - their just not as good at that as they were either. A Scout Market capture is highly unlikely to maintain 6* for the length of his contract now unless he's given extra training. Nordeus not only went mega-balanced on their ass but also nerfed them by 1-15 sp and charged more.

Ordinarily they are/were the Cherry on the Top and I also like the mixed approach of Academy, NordGens, Scout Market and One Season Wonders - but the 'Scout' bit doesn't feature for me now.

PS. If you don't know what will happen - come here and ask. Plenty here have made mistakes you can learn from, if you want.

Like Buffs.. said ;)

Yes, just ask! And we will try helping you the best we can. And most of us have learned the hard way 'how NOT to do'

You shouldn't have to go through all thoose misstakes:rolleyes:

Wow thanks everyone. So I messed up with the scout! Oh well if he scores some goals I wont hold it against him :)

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Originally Posted by Southampton FC

Wow thanks everyone. So I messed up with the scout! Oh well if he scores some goals I wont hold it against him :)

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Well messed up is a big word. He should soon be a seven star player and have big influence, so you should have good use of him.

Please share his profile, you might as well get the best out of him

Fast trainer = Young + High value right ?

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Originally Posted by Ahkoomz

Fast trainer = Young + High value right ?

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Right ;)

18-21 year - high value are fastest trainers

Here's a link to Khris' (and others) list of max values. http://forum.topeleven.com/groups/of...ue-market.html

Here's the numbers copied for ease of reference. They are not fixed Max values but were the highest values seen at the time and represents a good rule of thumb for 18 yo NordGem and Academy players.

lev 1: max q24 3,1-3.3m
lev 2: max q29 4-4.25 m
lev3: max q34 5.5-6.2 m
lev4: max q39 7.5-8 m
lv 5 max q44 max 11-11,5m,
lv6 - max q49 max 14-15m
lv7 - max q 54 max 17,5-18,5m
lv 8 - max q 59 - max 24-25m l
v 9 - max q 64 - max 31-32m
lv 10 - max q69 - max 38-39m
lv 11 - max q74 - max 48-50m
lv12 - max q79 - max 59-61m
lv13 - max q84 - max 73-75m
lv 14- max q89 - max 83-86m

Is there any way to make sure that the player is on high form before buying ? Like any indicators if they do not have match history?

Edit : Will re-contracting makes a player be in better form ?

And what is a NordGem?

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Originally Posted by Ahkoomz

And what is a NordGem?

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I might be way off here as I've wondered what Nordgen is myself. Assuming Nordgem is a typo of Nordgen then I think it might mean Nordeus generated?? as in players on the auction list but that could be wrong lol

Ah yes...i searched in the forum for a bit and it is Nordeus generated player that trains fast, and have unsually cool clubs :D

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Originally Posted by Gert Funck

Well messed up is a big word. He should soon be a seven star player and have big influence, so you should have good use of him.

Please share his profile, you might as well get the best out of him

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It will take 55 green packs to get the final 5 skill points until next star so maybe 6 or 7 days of collecting greens on my phone. So not too bad I suppose.

How do I share his profile? Lol

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Originally Posted by Gert Funck

Right ;)

18-21 year - high value are fastest trainers

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Ahh so because he's 22 and already a higher quality then he trains really slow regardless of how many tokens and money he cost :(

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Originally Posted by Southampton FC

It will take 55 green packs to get the final 5 skill points until next star so maybe 6 or 7 days of collecting greens on my phone. So not too bad I suppose.

How do I share his profile? Lol

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puuww thats a lot of greens, but as soon as possible and the more you'll get through him
(I hope its actual less than 55) he should only be 15 skillpoints away

I use windows 'snipping tool' simpel and excelent program just windows-search 'snipping tool' are in newer windows versions

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Originally Posted by Gert Funck

puuww thats a lot of greens, but as soon as possible and the more you'll get through him
(I hope its actual less than 55) he should only be 15 skillpoints away

I use windows 'snipping tool' simpel and excelent program just windows-search 'snipping tool' are in newer windows versions

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I mean what is his profile lol :D I'm on android do I can swipe screenshot, but I don't know exactly what you mean by profile. Do you just mean click on the player and screenshot his stats?

Thxs

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Originally Posted by Southampton FC

Do you just mean click on the player and screenshot his stats?

Thxs

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I mean the players skills
like this:Attachment 42079

I've got a screenshot on my phone how do I upload to the forum?

Even if my training and fast trainers is my t11 hobby, I like players from scout list but it costs much.
Scouters are slow trainers for the first 1-2 seasons but in the 3rd-4rd season, some of them are really good trainers for their age.
So, if you buy a 22 y.o. scout, you can keep him 4 seasons as a 5*-6* (later in the season) player.
Here is an example : Branco , the last one, is a scout I bought 22 y.o.. Was thinking to put him in nego list but with his gaining (and good performances) I 'll rather keep him for this season.

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Also I 'm lucky to have the old version in mobile, so this season I 'm thinking to buy a scout MC cause I didn't find any nordgen and the MCs I have are awful. My best MCs (2 so far) was scouts.

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Finally I bought him, changed his name and he is good as I thought so :rolleyes:
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I sold my nordgen/ fast trainer MC from previous season who was a bad performer from the beginning.
I gave him also a DMC position and tried to test him there, but nothing :(
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so, a fast trainer is 1st choice but also he must perform good.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Finally I bought him, changed his name and he is good as I thought so :rolleyes:
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I sold my nordgen/ fast trainer MC from previous season who was a bad performer from the beginning.
I gave him also a DMC position and tried to test him there, but nothing :(
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so, a fast trainer is 1st choice but also he must perform good.

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Invalid attachments!:confused:

weird :confused:
I post pictures with the same way every time, but (very rarely) sometimes it's invalid attachment .

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

weird :confused:
I post pictures with the same way every time, but (very rarely) sometimes it's invalid attachment .

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But I can see them now :D

Yes, because I edit the post.
From Edit post button, I went in my post, I erased the two links (which were useless) and I upload the two pictures gain.