Financial Doping - "real money" players.

Do people consider spending real money on this game "financial doping" as Arsene Wenger called it. At the time of writing I am in Level 2. There is a team in the league that looks like they are going to be unbeatable (I was close to beating them but I went all out for the win and lost in the last minute!). The team is littered with players that are 5 and even six star. The team value is twice as much as mine.

Does this take the fun out of the game and make it inequitable?

Should there be leagues where players have "money leagues" only so the rest of the players playing without spending real money will have a fair league?

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Originally Posted by An Bainisteoir

Do people consider spending real money on this game "financial doping" as Arsene Wenger called it. At the time of writing I am in Level 2. There is a team in the league that looks like they are going to be unbeatable (I was close to beating them but I went all out for the win and lost in the last minute!). The team is littered with players that are 5 and even six star. The team value is twice as much as mine.

Does this take the fun out of the game and make it inequitable?

Should there be leagues where players have "money leagues" only so the rest of the players playing without spending real money will have a fair league?

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6 stars is nothing, there are often teams with 7 and 8 stared players, so to answer your quesion.

Yes! Top11 is a business looking for profit :rolleyes: guess thats just how it is. You can still learn to compete without spending real money, but it is very hard to win anything

If I remember currectly.. there was a 20 token league started up, I haven't heard much from it, so I don't know if it still excists or how to join

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Does this take the fun out of the game and make it inequitable?

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just one team like that cannot spoil the fun of the game - except if you mean winning the championship.

You can go also for a prize - a silver or bronze plate, or 4th position which leads to Champions League.
You can go for some more rounds in the Cup, where this team would be with much stronger opponents than yours.
You can find - add some friends with the same quality and style of playing and being in the same future leagues.
You can tank (stay in purpose in the same league) and get stronger.
You can study posts/threads of the forum, go deeper in coaching/formation/tactics and with a team of 4*-5* players can beat him
- maybe not to win every game of your league, but at least him :)

I am fairly confident I should get second even after only 6 games in. I have a good 22 man squad. I suppose getting into the champions league and doing an arsenal will be grand. I do read the tactics pages they are very helpful.

The only problem is I feel next season that my squad will need a major overhaul if I do reach level 3. If there are more teams there like the top guys team I have no hope!

I have not spent any money on this game and have won quite many 1st place trophies, and taken down plenty of money teams along the way to do it.

Just because they have money, doesn't mean the will always win, just ask the Knicks.

Getting the right players and good managing will beat out 6 star players in the long run.

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Originally Posted by An Bainisteoir

Do people consider spending real money on this game "financial doping" as Arsene Wenger called it. At the time of writing I am in Level 2. There is a team in the league that looks like they are going to be unbeatable (I was close to beating them but I went all out for the win and lost in the last minute!). The team is littered with players that are 5 and even six star. The team value is twice as much as mine.

Does this take the fun out of the game and make it inequitable?

Should there be leagues where players have "money leagues" only so the rest of the players playing without spending real money will have a fair league?

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Not all teams are paid for. They may have just got lucky in transfers. As an example, last season my team was pretty much a 6* team, bar a couple of players. All of them were brought with 1T and I farmed tokens to use when necessary.

Now, due to lack of real activity in the transfer market, my team is all 5* players and is likely a good amount will not get to 6* unless I try to power train.

In my case, my team depends on a couple factors:

1: How many players do I want to keep from the previous season? I will keep all my players that perform well even if they are 3-4 stars

2: How many fast training Nordgens was I able to get early in the season? If i grab a bunch of them, I'll have lots of 6 stars quickly.

So if there is a lot of case 2 and not case 1, then I look like a scout team, even tho I've only bought 1 scout in 12 seasons. I've gotten some 7 star before via power training.
Which goes back to my previous point, quality managing will beat the ones that just throw money at the game in the long run.

The scary ones are the ones that spend lots of money AND know what they are doing, luckily there aren't too many of those, at least I haven't seen that many.

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Originally Posted by An Bainisteoir

Do people consider spending real money on this game "financial doping" as Arsene Wenger called it. At the time of writing I am in Level 2. There is a team in the league that looks like they are going to be unbeatable (I was close to beating them but I went all out for the win and lost in the last minute!). The team is littered with players that are 5 and even six star. The team value is twice as much as mine.

Does this take the fun out of the game and make it inequitable?

Should there be leagues where players have "money leagues" only so the rest of the players playing without spending real money will have a fair league?

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Does this take the fun out of the game and make it inequitable?

Somewhat!

The league at early levels, is a joke in most cases with most teams being managed by inactive managers. Most active managers will beat these teams easily, regardless of whether or not they buy tokens. The champions league will also consist of several abandoned teams (especially levels 2-4) and in most cases you won't face a quality team before the QTR-finals until you outlevel the onslaught of abandoned teams! For me, I didn't face a 5* team before the QTR's until level 8.

Because so many teams are so bad at early level, it might be a little inequitable. However, once you outlevel all the inactive managers, lets just say buying a couple hundred tokens really won't give a team that much of an advantage.

Also, the financial dynamics of the game makes it more difficult to compete with token buyers at lower levels. The Cup and Champions League generate the most revenue and at level 2, you have no previous CL revenue and most likely mr. bot robot got you eliminated from the cup before you took over a team. W/O revenue from such competitions, managers can't afford multiple 5 star players. Given time, free players can generate the funds to afford several higher quality players.

Should there be leagues where players have "money leagues" only so the rest of the players playing without spending real money will have a fair league?[/

As Gert mentioned above, this game is a business and exists to make money for nordeus. Not granting token buyers the option to compete with non-token buyers really wouldn't be a very good business model.

This game also provides plenty of avenues for free players to be competitive with token buyers. Token farming by watching videos, filling out survey's etc... Tanking is another means. This game also frequently groups managers who are T11 friends with other managers into league with each other. So by adding such managers, it'll help you avoid token buyers in your tournament draws.

Don't let the token buyers scare you either! I can't speak for all managers but on my server most the token buyers don't really know what they're doing. There is one team on my server at my level (level 12), that has a full scout list starting 11 and hasn't won the champions league yet. There are multiple factors that affect performance beyond just player quality. If the token buyer doesn't understand these (counter-formations, form, etc...), they're setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think we could have something like in US Baseball where they have a steroid home and & non steroid home run list.
So token buyers vs non token buyers.
As is regularly said this game is designed to make a profit so we need T buyers unfortunately.
I spent ~ $30 U.S. I S1 & S2 when I didn't know any better (got a treble) but haven't bought for combined 40 seasons now.
When you see a T buyer you can tell and coming 2nd to them in league is the best you can hope for. Just don't ever friend them.

i cant read all this but my answer is simple i didn't spend real money and i didn't farm token maybe 2-4 per season but i could compete

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i will add my strength was long term players

I will be the token buyer to weigh in I guess.

At the lower lvls you can win quite at lot without spending real money. You will want to look for older players who are 1 point away from 6* in the market. Pay attention to how active the market is based on time of day for a bit first so you can find the dead time and only spend 1 token to get a player.

I have several teams that I don't buy tokens for. I have won leagues with them and even a cup. There are many ways to farm free tokens. Some on each platform too. So you can look at android, the top 11 site and Facebook. I move around all 3 and farm tokens and packs that way.



Now my main team I do buy tokens for. Am not ashamed of it. But even though I spend on tokens there are those who make me look cheap. You will always be looking up at someone at least some of the time. I have to play teams 3 and 4 lvl s above me in every cup.

Also I put people in my friend list who are active and win so I have 10 teams in my league this season who are in the Champions League and most won trophys and are almost the same quality. I am undefeated not because I simply buy it. I also out work almost everyone at lvl 5.

I farm every resource I can, keep advanced statistics of my players, write articles about my main team here. And I manage every game.

I know that I could drop the token spending and while it would be a burden I wouldn't suddenly never win league titles.


Effort will pay off more than token buying unless you spend literally hundreds of dollars per season.

In all honesty the token buying I do really is just to give me family time. I could replace it all by farming but I pay for it so I can take the time off from farming in the evening. You can farm a few hundred tokens a season if you work hard enough.

Just enjoy the game, on 20/05/15 I will have been playing for 4 years (Nordeus, I expect a present). I have played 53 seasons and have won very little, but the challenge is still there.

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I do not buy tokens and never will, but I can get an extra 15 a season by watching videos, nothing to compare to some farmers who get hundreds (lucky buggers). So I have to be careful on how I spend them, but, it is possible to have sucess, great enjoyment and enjoying a challenge without token buying. Just enjoy the game and accept the troll results and the disappointments because whichever level you reach, there will be great satisfaction at times you did not expect.

As you levelup you will be put in leagues with equal players. It doesn't hurt filling up your squsd with weak youth players so your team quality remains low. At level 2 i can only advise you to get into formations. You can easily beat stronger teams with the right fornations and settings.

Play hard attacking against weaker teams and defensive against stronger teams.

With players like these, you can farm and power traine to a very good competitive team. this without buying tokens

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