Possession

Could anyone tell me how possession affects the game?? And how possession is calculated
I have two examples
1. Against a weak team in CH.L group stage and I was favourite in quality
He played a strange formation like (S) DC DC Dr dmr mc mc mc aml st st (as I remember)
I used 4-1-2-1-2 and attacking and got a draw then used 3w-2-2-2-1 to focus down flanks and changed to mixed during match and lost 0-2!!
My possession was about 60% in both games and this disappointed me towards the randomness of the game And the assistant manager said we were just unlucky
then this team was crushed later in CH.l 1/16 stage

2. Against mourinho fc which I lost 0-3 because of the quality although he wasn't favourite
However I was sure I would lose as his quality was higher especially in midfield

The point here is that I had 65% possession!!!
I was playing 4-5-1v style hard defending long passes and force counter attacks and my quality was less than him so how did I have such a high possession and why didn't possession help me even with a goal (I wasn't that weak man :D )
He played 4-3-2-1 which I think no defending and surely he had better quality so why did he get only 35% and why didn't this help me

Any answers ???



(Should we concentrate on possession or it is useless ??)

I focus on maintaining high possession. For me, that means having more players in the mid field than my opponent.

I wouldn't worry about any results you have against mourinho. I had 79% possession and gave up only 2 shots. He happened to get both in. A had something like 20 shots and got 0 in.

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Originally Posted by motrin

I focus on maintaining high possession. For me, that means having more players in the mid field than my opponent.

I wouldn't worry about any results you have against mourinho. I had 79% possession and gave up only 2 shots. He happened to get both in. A had something like 20 shots and got 0 in.

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Because Mou's the bus driver ;)

If you use closely-knit formations, like 4-4-2ND, 4-3-1-2, 3-5-2V (and to some extent even 4-5-1V and Butterfly), you should be playing the possession game. But wide formations are extremely vulnerable with a strong middle, but the opposite may not be true (since there are defenders in the box to head the cross out).

Mourinho teams appear to have significant hidden advantages. Like motrin said, he gets 2 shots, and it results in 2 goals. The closest I have come is a 0-0 against him in normal time, and team lost either in E.T or on penalties. He gets 1 shot and it's a goal. Yet some people claim that there are no such things as hidden effectsand so on, but as a user you can see that there are strong indications that there are hidden things.

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Originally Posted by Arion

If you use closely-knit formations, like 4-4-2ND, 4-3-1-2, 3-5-2V (and to some extent even 4-5-1V and Butterfly), you should be playing the possession game. But wide formations are extremely vulnerable with a strong middle, but the opposite may not be true (since there are defenders in the box to head the cross out).

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But in the first example ( not the one against mou fc :D ) I had higher possession then lost 2-0 how could this happen??
I thought higher possession meant higher chances of attacking then goals as I had been favourite in the game and opponent defence quality was much lower than my attack quality

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Originally Posted by Medo zalata

But in the first example ( not the one against mou fc :D ) I had higher possession then lost 2-0 how could this happen??
I thought higher possession meant higher chances of attacking then goals as I had been favourite in the game and opponent defence quality was much lower than my attack quality

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I told you he's a bus driver

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Mourinho teams appear to have significant hidden advantages. Like motrin said, he gets 2 shots, and it results in 2 goals. The closest I have come is a 0-0 against him in normal time, and team lost either in E.T or on penalties. He gets 1 shot and it's a goal. Yet some people claim that there are no such things as hidden effectsand so on, but as a user you can see that there are strong indications that there are hidden things.

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You need much higher quality and super formation to beat him 1-0 lol :D
I played against him and knew I would lose but was surprised to see that I had 65% possession and only one shot at target with no goal
What is the real effect of possession on players ?? Do they perform more attacks and the opponent would have less attacks then but in my two examples nothing of this happened

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Originally Posted by Arion

I told you he's a bus driver

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Well, Mou certainly knows how to park one... :p

Here is one of the posts concerning Mourinho F.C that I posted last year.

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post361344

I dominated his team and yet lost 1-0.

By the way, have a look at the possession there. :p

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Could anyone tell me how possession affects the game?? And how possession is calculated

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Known factors which affect b.p.
- Playing home, +5% if you have an almost full stadium
- 8% from the presence of the managers
- +2% from every friend/supporter who watching the game - the limit is (plus) five supporters 5X2%=10%
There are penalties if playing illegal formation : no players in one line (def/mid/att), no players in the wings
players out of position (switching GK wit ST gives 20-80)

Factors that we don't know if and how affect the b.p.
- The quality of the players > yes, but don't know how much
- morale and condition
- The most "proper" formation and orders
- maybe bonus

Ball possession has a minor effect in the progress of the game as many other things that affect a little but some times this little is enough to give you the victory.
In this thread, post #22, in the second picture you can have an idea about a "useless" b.p.
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...-league-3.html

Playing with Mourinho is another story.
It's a nordeus prank - lol

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Known factors which affect b.p.
- Playing home, +5% if you have an almost full stadium
- 8% from the presence of the managers
- +2% from every friend/supporter who watching the game - the limit is (plus) five supporters 5X2%=10%
There are penalties if playing illegal formation : no players in one line (def/mid/att), no players in the wings
players out of position (switching GK wit ST gives 20-80)

Factors that we don't know if and how affect the b.p.
- The quality of the players > yes, but don't know how much
- morale and condition
- The most "proper" formation and orders
- maybe bonus

Ball possession has a minor effect in the progress of the game as many other things that affect a little but some times this little is enough to give you the victory.
In this thread, post #22, in the second picture you can have an idea about a "useless" b.p.
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...-league-3.html

Playing with Mourinho is another story.
It's a nordeus prank - lol

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So possession isn't really an important indicator of winning the match ???
And what makes more attacks at the opponent target??
Which formation would win: one with a lot of midfielders or with more attackers if both had the same quality??

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Which formation would win: one with a lot of midfielders or with more attackers if both had the same quality??

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it's not (only) the formation.
it's a combination of many things.

Important things
- High quality of players, in a good form, with a good "chemistry"
- Presence (and right coaching) of the manager
- Luck/roll dice

Minor things
- Formation
- Individual orders
- arrows
- b.p.
- supporters
- victory bonus
- training bonus
- special abilities
- morale
- condition

I had (mistakenly) removed Mou from my friends list, didn't really knew that the heck was going on then

It means you get more chances, it doesn't mean they go in. Another thing I've noticed is that it can actually harm your team, I play much better when I don't watch the games a lot of the time - I think giving up the position is giving my players counter attacking chances or something.