New position : unlock skills

Hey,

I'm new to this game (I started 3 weeks ago), and I haven't read anything about "unlocked" skills with new position.

I recently added DMC position to my young MC. I discovered that some skills which were greyed out prior the completion of the new position, are now enlightened.
Heading, strength and aggression are no longer greyed out. So I guess it means my MC will now be able to gain skill points in these 3 categories faster than before, right ? In the long run, wouldn't it be advantageous to add new position to young players, so they get more skill points overall ?

Here are some examples of unlocked skills after completing a new a position. I hope it's clear :D

DC -> DL/DR : Crossing, Speed ------ Adding DL or DR to a DC enlightens Crossing and Speed skills for this player
DL/DR -> DC : Heading, Strength
MC -> DMC : Heading, Strength, Aggression
MC -> AMC : Heading, Finishing
AMC -> MC : Tackling, Marking, Positioning, Bravery
AMC -> AML/AMR : Crossing
AMC -> ST : Positioning, Strength

Edit : When I say "add" a new position I mean "COMPLETING" the new position

If you guys ever discussed about it before, forgive me and give me the link to this subject please.
No idea if this has no impact on the game, but I found it interesting.

What on the world is going on, never seen a decent question that actually makes sens from a guy that's new to the forum.. and also new to the game ?
People here that been playing for more than 2 years got no clue what you talking about :D including myself hahaha

This is something that we see on the new 2016 version and it's interesting to find more about it..
Whenever a DC gains a new position such as DL or DR the engine recognizes it as flank player and automaticlly unlocks the Speed & Crossing ability as those are key ability for any flank player.

The engine unlocks those new ability skills for the automatic skill point distribution after a game.
This means that once you unlock the new position the engine will start distribuiting skill points to the new key abilities after every game.

It's different in training sessions as you have control over the drills and the ability you want to teach to your players
It's also a sugestion, helps you to train your player in more efficent way by using the exact drills that will help your player increase the key abilities.

Would like to see what other people figure out untill now, if anyone knows more about it, share with us! :)

Interesting thread :)
Sometimes I see my ST gain tackling attribute after a match. Sometimes I see my DC gain passing attribute and maybe shooting.

So I have some possibilities:
1. The player improves the attributes he used in the match. ( that's what I think )
2. Most progress goes into the key attributes ( highlighted ) and some progress goes into other attributes so the the player won't be 1% in non key attributes.

Here is a table of positions versus skills. If you give a new position to a player, he will get "enhanced" skills from new position (these new available skills won't rise slowly). That's what I guess :

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For heaven's sake
I 'm here in the forum for two years
playing the game (at this period) with four teams
I 've read almost all the posts in that forum

experienced managers don't know how the offside trap, hard tackling or victory bonus are working (and nobody can prove anything) and now
you 're saying that giving extra position we can add new skills and improving them our player can perform someway better ?

You 're going to far :eek:

Best 1st 2 posts I have ever seen. Congrats.

Dear,

I just think it is too expansive in terms of cost & time training additional postions for my players --> isn'it ?

Nevertheless, this post is really interesting and clearly points out you are a potential BIG manager, now you just have to show it !

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@Marc3l What I've noticed that players DO tend to gain more for the highlighted attributes in the new version. For example, this is one of my ST:http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...90098120a2.jpg
You can see the difference between the grey and white attributes. BTW all the positions and SA were as it is 5 seasons ago when he came as a recommendation.
This is another one from @nikolgiorgos post:http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...775d36eb2d.jpg
If someone could train a guy till 15SP in the old version and then auto-assign them, I could've concluded that important attributes are invisible, but present in the old version (don't have enough rests :(). But since the OP is new, they don't need it.
Well, training players a new role or SA is a waste of time. Those 40-50 SAs could've been used for the raw quality. Also, a DC needs to focus on only 8 attributes, so it'll make him a master in defence. Adding a fullback or DMC position makes it probably 10-11 attributes to focus. Just for the sake of being an all-rounder, 3 position players aren't worth it.
I choose 2 position players mostly, wing players must play another position, since it becomes very limiting that they can play at only one spot. I never tend to play DML/R and ML/R, so I look for DC/DMC, DL/DC, DC/DR, AML/AMC, AMR/AMC, ST/AMC, ST/AML, ST/AMR. A single position DC or MC doesn't hurt (rarely you get double position MCs, and single position DC is a great defender since he has to focus on defence only — I have one, he's 120% in defence and rates consistently above 7). STs, I prefer dual position since they frequently have bad days and I can quickly get them back on track by swapping with another player. I prefer double position for tactical advantages, not for a more diverse skill distribution. I recommend you NEVER to have wing players with single position, they are very limiting. I once had a DL. He sucked every 3rd game, but I could do nothing but bench him. I nowadays swap players' position if they are playing bad.

here's how the SP get allocated


after a game skillpoints get allocated based off of growth rate of the player. This can be seen in the old version although I doubt the numbers are exactly the same.

The Sp get split between all active, non-grayed out attributes. based off what Ive seen over the last 3 seasons, the growth rate changes slightly if you have a 5* player with 3* defensive level. his defensive skills will level higher than normal if training is put into them.

Think of it as similar to the old system ((3* training speed vs 6*) but split in 3 subsections. def/att/and phys. Once split the points get divided between all the attributes in that subcategory
What makes training growth different from match growth here is that grayed out attributes will increase, albeit slowly, if trained specifically. I'm not sure of the exact ratio between inactive and active attributes but there is a noticeable difference in their training speed. You can see inactive(gray) stat growth from matches but it is far less common than seeing it in training.

So don't neglect positioning/ heading on your Sts nor crossing/'passing on your defenders. Creativity is a very underrated stat especially on midfielders.

Younger multipositional players are highly desirable now because you can shape their stats much easier as they don't have many inactive attributes

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@Marc3l What I've noticed that players DO tend to gain more for the highlighted attributes in the new version. For example, this is one of my ST:http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...90098120a2.jpg
You can see the difference between the grey and white attributes. BTW all the positions and SA were as it is 5 seasons ago when he came as a recommendation.
This is another one from @nikolgiorgos post:http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...775d36eb2d.jpg
If someone could train a guy till 15SP in the old version and then auto-assign them, I could've concluded that important attributes are invisible, but present in the old version (don't have enough rests :(). But since the OP is new, they don't need it.
Well, training players a new role or SA is a waste of time. Those 40-50 SAs could've been used for the raw quality. Also, a DC needs to focus on only 8 attributes, so it'll make him a master in defence. Adding a fullback or DMC position makes it probably 10-11 attributes to focus. Just for the sake of being an all-rounder, 3 position players aren't worth it.
I choose 2 position players mostly, wing players must play another position, since it becomes very limiting that they can play at only one spot. I never tend to play DML/R and ML/R, so I look for DC/DMC, DL/DC, DC/DR, AML/AMC, AMR/AMC, ST/AMC, ST/AML, ST/AMR. A single position DC or MC doesn't hurt (rarely you get double position MCs, and single position DC is a great defender since he has to focus on defence only — I have one, he's 120% in defence and rates consistently above 7). STs, I prefer dual position since they frequently have bad days and I can quickly get them back on track by swapping with another player. I prefer double position for tactical advantages, not for a more diverse skill distribution. I recommend you NEVER to have wing players with single position, they are very limiting. I once had a DL. He sucked every 3rd game, but I could do nothing but bench him. I nowadays swap players' position if they are playing bad.

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So you are from Kolkata too?

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Originally Posted by Arion

So you are from Kolkata too?

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Yup From Kolkata.. Bangali

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Some interesting points here. Contrary to one comment above, I advise training a special ability and a new position for young expensive single position players.
It's important to do this as soon as you get him because once you start training him and he improves, his rate of advancement will drop.

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Originally Posted by Marc3l

Hey,

I'm new to this game (I started 3 weeks ago), and I haven't read anything about "unlocked" skills with new position.

I recently added DMC position to my young MC. I discovered that some skills which were greyed out prior the completion of the new position, are now enlightened.
Heading, strength and aggression are no longer greyed out. So I guess it means my MC will now be able to gain skill points in these 3 categories faster than before, right ? In the long run, wouldn't it be advantageous to add new position to young players, so they get more skill points overall ?

Here are some examples of unlocked skills after completing a new a position. I hope it's clear :D

DC -> DL/DR : Crossing, Speed ------ Adding DL or DR to a DC enlightens Crossing and Speed skills for this player
DL/DR -> DC : Heading, Strength
MC -> DMC : Heading, Strength, Aggression
MC -> AMC : Heading, Finishing
AMC -> MC : Tackling, Marking, Positioning, Bravery
AMC -> AML/AMR : Crossing
AMC -> ST : Positioning, Strength

Edit : When I say "add" a new position I mean "COMPLETING" the new position

If you guys ever discussed about it before, forgive me and give me the link to this subject please.
No idea if this has no impact on the game, but I found it interesting.

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a new to this game player (3 weeks), making an interesting to discuss thread and after that he disappear :rolleyes:
I be damned :p

Sorry i'm busy doing nothing :cool:

Some news about by own experience so far (middle of season 2).

I added DMC to my 20 years old MC. He's probably a fast trainer (he's in my team from the start).
So HEADING, AGGRESSION and STRENGTH have been "unlocked".
After 2 weeks, I noticed his defensive skills have been skyrocketing. He was really bad at defensive skills (around 52% average). He's now at 76%.
While 2 of th 3 unlocked skills are from the fitness category, the biggest impact is clearly from the defensive category. Is it because he learnt a more defensive position ?
I train him equally in defensive sessions (with my defenders) and offensive sessions (with my AMX + ST + GK), and I don't powertrain him.

He started with 3 stars during first season, he's now 5 stars and going forward 3 weeks later (with a completed new position). Maybe that's something common for a fast trainer, but he's catching up another MC fast trainer (same age, the recommanded guy when you start the tutorial).

I'm trying something similar with a young AMC who just learnt MC as a new position (tackling, marking, positionning and bravery unlocked). He's 53% in defensive skills right now (90% OFF, 78% FIT). I will watch him grow up and see where it goes. Problem : he's a substitute, so it might take a while before I notice anything serious.

Anyway, if you guys have tokens/green packs to waste, please try some combinations of new positions and watch if your player is growing faster than it should be.
The more we are on this, the more we'll know. And maybe we'll realize it's a waste of time... OR NOT ??


Out of topic, my AMR recently scored 5 goals in a single game and earned +4% in shooting (I won 5-0). I don't know if it's common, usually my players get +1% from several skills but hardly more from a single skill. Are skills randomly allocated after a game or does it depend on the player impact during the game (goals, assists, whatever-u-name-it) ?

Halp !

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He started with 3 stars during first season, he's now 5 stars and going forward 3 weeks later (with a completed new position). Maybe that's something common for a fast trainer, but he's catching up another MC fast trainer (same age, the recommanded guy when you start the tutorial).

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that's because a 3* fast trainer gains more than a 5* player.

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Are skills randomly allocated after a game or does it depend on the player impact during the game (goals, assists, whatever-u-name-it) ?

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random I believe

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check the strongest player of the vice- captain of the association rank 17 in the world top 100.


Think 179 % is the highest value possible ...

Look at the huge difference between def / att and physical despite 4/6 skills in defense are bright

In physical also huge difference between those skills !

Are skills randomly allocated after a game or does it depend on the player impact during the game (goals, assists, whatever-u-name-it) ?

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

random I believe

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Weird, usual game without individual great performance -> +1% random skills for each player (i never see more than +1% for a specific skill)
Game won 5-0 with 5 goals from my 6* AMR -> +4% shooting
Game won 6-0 with 4 goals from my 6* AML -> +4% finishing

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Originally Posted by Kaizer Franz

check the strongest player of the vice- captain of the association rank 17 in the world top 100.


Think 179 % is the highest value possible ...

Look at the huge difference between def / att and physical despite 4/6 skills in defense are bright

In physical also huge difference between those skills !

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Is this player mainly used as AML ?

it's not mine , but i saw this player as an AML in a 4-5-1 V style .

That would explain the difference in skills then, since the main AML skills are way higher than the other skills.
It could come from specific training, but also from games. We need to question that guy :D

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Originally Posted by Marc3l

Are skills randomly allocated after a game or does it depend on the player impact during the game (goals, assists, whatever-u-name-it) ?
Weird, usual game without individual great performance -> +1% random skills for each player (i never see more than +1% for a specific skill)
Game won 5-0 with 5 goals from my 6* AMR -> +4% shooting
Game won 6-0 with 4 goals from my 6* AML -> +4% finishing

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I 'm not an expert in the new training/gaining system but I think this 4% is about as in the old version, 1 skill point.
Now,
there are two ways of signing skill
- "Manually" (in the new version) , when we choose specific drills to improve only some of the skills of our player.
- Random/auto : the gaining in some skills a player can have, after a game/ from the MoM title, from the daily gift sp
In the second case, the program is trying to keep a (general) balance in the skills of our player.
In one game your AMR will have +4% to shooting, in the next game +4% finishing , getting a MoM will get a +4% to dribbling and in the next game +4% to shooting again.

The second option was in the old version (and still working that way).
Example :
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I gathered 10 sp from training for my player.
When I 'm trying to allocate them, the game is giving them in auto. I don't have the choice to give them only in tackling.
The first born player has some of his skills higher than the others and this keeps that way, no matter how many sp we 'll give them.


Some saying that players with higher specific skills than others, have also some talent in the game too.
For example an attacker (or MC) with high crossing skill is better for corner kicks.
Actually from the period I joined the forum, never saw a post where someone proved that skills has an impact in specific performance of the players.

Ok, if you have two MC (without sa) and want to choose one for the C-K, the logic says to pick the one with higher crossing skills.
But many times another player was more "talented" for that job.

Regarding bonus %skills after a game, you're definitely right. My AMR was MoM with a rating of 10 (2 goals) and got +4% crossing.

Bork the game and reload the old one. Do training in that and assign the skill points to the players directly yourself and add them where you want to add them.