New Associations Forum section

[Tactician]

The ridiculous gulf in class between my association and my opponents

I 'wrote' about that in two posts (links below). Please read and understand.

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post410491

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post410497

[Frozen Fire]

I 'wrote' about that in two posts (links below). Please read and understand.

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post410491

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post410497

I do understand your point about it being unfair for 7* teams to only face other 7* teams and to an extent I agree. This begs the question where the 3* association was in my competition? There were 3 FAs of equal quality (5/6* mix) and one much stronger (7/8* mix). Is the new competition meant to emulate la liga or the bundesliga where 1 team dominates effortlessly? Most people agree these leagues are somewhat overly predictable when compared to a league where many teams are in with a chance

[Frozen Fire]

I 'wrote' about that in two posts (links below). Please read and understand.

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post410491

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post410497

I do understand your point about it being unfair for 7* teams to only face other 7* teams and to an extent I agree. This begs the question where the 3* association was in my competition? There were 3 FAs of equal quality (5/6* mix) and one much stronger (7/8* mix). Is the new competition meant to emulate la liga or the bundesliga where 1 team dominates effortlessly? Most people agree these leagues are somewhat overly predictable when compared to a league where many teams are in with a chance

[Moi]

I do understand your point about it being unfair for 7* teams to only face other 7* teams and to an extent I agree. This begs the question where the 3* association was in my competition? There were 3 FAs of equal quality (5/6* mix) and one much stronger (7/8* mix). Is the new competition meant to emulate la liga or the bundesliga where 1 team dominates effortlessly? Most people agree these leagues are somewhat overly predictable when compared to a league where many teams are in with a chance

Let's try to not reach to conclusions by just looking into this 1st tournament you've played, or just by looking into a couple of them. There have been hundreds of thousands of tournaments last weekend, you can't extract any pattern about how the engine does the matchmaking by just looking into one I am sorry but you don't have the big picture here.

Matchmaking in Associations tournament is a complex thing, quality has a big portion of influence but it's not all (just) about quality, other factors are taken into account. Don't jump into conclusions only based of what you may have been able to see during last weekend. How many tournaments did you check? Let's say 3?. You have seen what, like 0.0003% of the tournaments?

As I said, matchmaking is not simple and you can't say "if this tournament was like these, that means all tournaments will work exactly the same way". You don't know what was involved in this draw against that specific association you got as rival. Also, all TE teams are unique, so for each and every generated tournament you have a unique scenario that does not apply to other scenarios/draws. It is also impossible to match 2 exact identical associations in terms of quality and any other factors, because as I just said, there are no identical clubs in Top Eleven, so there will always be some team better than its counterpart.

Besides that, it is also impossible to create a draw that would make everyone 100% happy, and this thread is a proof of that: some want quality-fair draws, some think it should be totally random, some want a challenge, some want an easy draw ...

[Frozen Fire]

Let's try to not reach to conclusions by just looking into this 1st tournament you've played, or just by looking into a couple of them. There have been hundreds of thousands of tournaments last weekend, you can't extract any pattern about how the engine does the matchmaking by just looking into one I am sorry but you don't have the big picture here.

Matchmaking in Associations tournament is a complex thing, quality has a big portion of influence but it's not all (just) about quality, other factors are taken into account. Don't jump into conclusions only based of what you may have been able to see during last weekend. How many tournaments did you check? Let's say 3?. You have seen what, like 0.0003% of the tournaments?

As I said, matchmaking is not simple and you can't say "if this tournament was like these, that means all tournaments will work exactly the same way". You don't know what was involved in this draw against that specific association you got as rival. Also, all TE teams are unique, so for each and every generated tournament you have a unique scenario that does not apply to other scenarios/draws. It is also impossible to match 2 exact identical associations in terms of quality and any other factors, because as I just said, there are no identical clubs in Top Eleven, so there will always be some team better than its counterpart.

Besides that, it is also impossible to create a draw that would make everyone 100% happy, and this thread is a proof of that: some want quality-fair draws, some think it should be totally random, some want a challenge, some want an easy draw ...

I'm more than happy to give it some more weeks before I judge. I was basing my comment on my own experiences, limited as they may be. We'll see what this weekend and the next brings and then I'll be able to see if it's possible to win without being a heavy token buying player or not.

I think the competition as a whole is a great format and if you only meet a monster association say 1 week in 4 I can live with that

[Frozen Fire]

I'm more than happy to give it some more weeks before I judge. I was basing my comment on my own experiences, limited as they may be. We'll see what this weekend and the next brings and then I'll be able to see if it's possible to win without being a heavy token buying player or not.

I think the competition as a whole is a great format and if you only meet a monster association say 1 week in 4 I can live with that

Having now played this for a few weeks I can conclude it's a deeply unfair competition - just the cup for associations. Every week bar one my association of mainly 6* teams is smashed by a better 6* or 7* fa. Where are the 4 or 5* teams that would make this fair? Again being punished for having a good team. Disgrace