The new Champions league draw system

We have some new situation about the draw in Champions League.
Meaning to play with teams one level above.
Ok, this is not new, happened some times in the past (I remember an old member of the forum, Spornybal, who was attracted from higher level groups or some teams who are high in the top of the server and with the lack of many teams there, they 're forced to play with higher lv opponents).
But what I can see this season (maybe started 1-2 seasons ago), it's not like those cases.

It's not a bug, like this friend posted here
http://forum.topeleven.com/bugs-tech...llocation.html

and it's not because of servers aren't well organized as Khris said here
http://forum.topeleven.com/suggestio...oving-2-a.html
abandoned teams always been in TE and servers also weren't organized but this never happened so often.

So, is there a plan ?
Yes, I can see one pattern here.
The champion of the league, next season is playing in a CH.L. competition with managers one level above but those who didn't won their leagues.
Because the managers who won their leagues also playing in a CH.L. one lv above also.
There can be a variation, because some draw can be affect by some friendships of the teams.

Last season I had three active teams,
MAN.U. ( it's a simple team with 5* and some 6* players).
Two seasons ago, MAN.U. in season6 and lv6, was third in the league so previous season played in a same level CH.L. and won it.
Last season won the championship and this season is playing in a higher level CH.L.
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RINOKEROS
Won the league two seasons ago (season 13, lv9) and last season (14) played in a CH.L. one level above.
As the team was tanking in previous season, I had a strong team, with 7-8 7* players (young fast trainers) and managed to win this league vs opponents from one lv above as the treble too.
So last season I won the league and this season I 'm playing again in a CH.L. one level above.
Coincidence ?
I don't think so :rolleyes:
As it's a secondary team, I won't go again in a trip to spend extra sources to enforce my team to go for the title again.
I 'm tanking again for 1-2 seasons.
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NIK
It's my main team.
I was tanking two seasons ago as I faced every season 2-3 very strong teams in CH.L. and I wanted to avoid their level.
Last season I won the league and this season I 'm playing in a CH.L. one level above :p
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So, my three teams 6,11 and 23 level won the league last season and now playing in +1 level in Champions League.
Coincidence ? Bug ? Servers mistake ? no
Probably some new business plan from a guy.

As someone had the "brilliant" idea last year, to put same quality teams in same league (to make more interesting the league games :rolleyes: ), http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...aw-system.html
another smart move to make managers to be more active (:cool: $) as they want to be competitive for the double.

After the first day of CH.L. competitions, I was checking the games my friends had in the new CH.L.
24 of them were playing with a team from different level :p
Most of the cases were about the team which won the league, playing with opponents from a level above, positions 2-3-4.

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not a bug
not a coincidence
not a server's problem
not very fair

This season I got knocked out straight from the cup after being pitted against A league champion one level above me in round 1. I actually won the previous season flawlessly (26-0-0) so I thought this might be a karma of some sort, NIK?

Hi, I'm level 40 this season, i won last 39 level league, and I'm in a 41 level Champions league.
But also placed 2,3 and 4 in my last league are in this Champions league,all they are friends of mine.
Since I'm their highest friend qualified in Ch league as them, I think I'm in this above level
as league winner,and my friends came with me, even if they did not win the league.
They are also in my actual level 40 league.


In past Champions league editions, I also experienced to be attracted in a -1 level Champions league
even if league winner, by friends of mine with higher quality and lower level than me.
Results: an easier Champions league with many lower -1 teams until facing lower level teams with outrangeous
quality. No chance to win there....

So: league results are important but friendships strongly rule ch league dispatchments .
Lower quality friendship do not influence your draw,strongest friends do

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This season I got knocked out straight from the cup after being pitted against A league champion one level above me in round 1

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We know that the Cup is working that way - with quality draw, no matter the level.
I read the forum for a long time and many good managers just took the decision not to bother with the cup anymore.
Maybe just to win it for once and that's it.
So they keep the quality of the team high and go for the double (League and CH.L.).
But with this way CH.L is almost impossible. They only way is to make a team 7* or more and all the opponents from the level above, not to be "wealthy" and keep their teams with 6* players (7* for you).
If this draw will become permanent, many good managers will get disappointed and leave the game.

A possible business ploy or move?

Most league champions are likely to be active and serious managers; so, maybe Nordeus decided that more of them will be grouped with higher level teams in the Champions league too so that the company can benefit if those managers spend more to reach the quality required.

The association thing itself is a business ploy. No condition loss but still many managers will have to use more green packs because of how the fixtures for this competition are set. Only stars matter, and yet some teams have faced noticeably stronger opponents. This competition itself will make or tempt managers to spend more. Win bonus will consume some money, and this is very likely to be significant for low and middle level teams. The rewards in this competition are not worth at all the effort required to be put in and/or the amount of resources spent. The 5 boosters of each type as reward for winning a weekly tournament is a 'big joke'.

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If this draw will become permanent, many good managers will get disappointed and leave the game.

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You think so? The company has trapped many people; those people got addicted to the game. They will only leave when they can fight this addiction or get so much disgusted with how this game functions these days.

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A possible business

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yes, that's what i think.
When I started this thread http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...aw-system.html, a year ago, they answer that indeed there is a change in the league draw to make leagues more competitive and interesting (and not to make the managers to spend more).
Now after almost a year, they cancelled it and brought back the old system with friends priority and 4-5 weak/abandoned teams in every league.
It looks like it didn't work so much.
If someone is building a 6* team every season, to play also in a league of 6*, later 7* players teams what's the point ?
He 'll do it once, twice, then he 'll leave it or tank.
Same here, you 'll get stronger players (power-training, scouts, recommended) for one or two CH.L. but how long ?

At least in the leagues draw there was an excuse (to make it more interesting).
Now what ? To be competitive with managers who 're buying players scouts (for your team) with 1 token ?

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You think so?

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yes, I know a case for example.
It's from this thread I wrote http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...-league-2.html, #14
one of the protagonists, Murat with Trabzonspor. He lost that CH.L., he also lost the next as me because we were keep playing vs two very strong teams with 8* players (TANSIN and JUVE). I decided to tank for a season to avoid them but he decided to abandon his team from last season :(
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Too bad, he was very good manager, I hope he 'll be back.

That's why I started this thread. As I love to play that game and this forum give us the freedom to express our opinion, I 'm trying to make some "noise" so to cancel (they) this stupid plan.

This has been an issue with me since Level 30, as outlined in this thread: http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...ague-draw.html

How can Nordeus expect people to retain interest when the Champions League 'reward' for winning a League Championship is 6 frustrating matches in the next season's Group stage and an early exit... You'll then have two levels of Tanking - the normal one to avoid promotion entirely, the other for teams in the Champions League Qualification promotion slots to avoid finishing first and at least have a fair chance of winning the CL the next season.

It's this, along with very little 5* action in the Transfer Market has me pining for the return of the 'take over a new club' option so I can rekindle the excitement of the game again - at least for one of my teams.

4 of the last 5 Champions League's i've participated in have had this format. Levels 22, 24, 25 and 26; with 2 tanked seasons sandwiched in. If ya hit a higher level coiner forget about it...

I don't like how the game has been going these days. I, myself, I have thought of quitting it quit a few times. I have even thought of quitting it recently even though after having just spent 20 USD to buy tokens, which shows how much disgusted I am with this game lately.

Match outcomes are based like the rock, paper and scissors game rather than a football game as such. There is no logic with the 'right' combinations of orders. You can end up with defensive and high pressing or hard attacking and force-counter attacks and high pressing as being what the game has decided to be the right order combination.

A.M has become ****; he even gives you bad advices.

Transfer market in terms of good 5-star nordgens has been poor.

Lots of greens packs are required for condition maintenance.

Associations matches have become frustrating. I have been put up against stronger opponent for like 4 weeks or more in a row now (since their supposed adjustment to make draws fairer which in fact made it worst).

The game has become very tiring.

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This has been an issue with me since Level 30, as outlined in this thread: Champions League Draw

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yes, I 've read this thread. i wanted to participate but Abhi was trolling there - lol.
Your case Tali, reminds me another older member of the forum, Spornybal.
He was always complaining because his team was playing in CH.L. one lv above every season. (his lv was above 20).
He was also from UK and I thought maybe there is some problem with some local server there.

But there is no excuse for my third team which is lv6 and playing in a full server.

Day 21 and I 'll make a sumary
MAN.U. (lv6)
The groups
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I won a team 1 lv above in that good game but lost the 2nd leg.
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I got trolled playing vs the weak (equal lv team) of the group, so I didn't pass the groups
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RINOKEROS lv11

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I past the groups

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also passed some teams like this
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and now I 'm playing in the semi
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vs this team
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so it's the end of the journey :o

NIK lv23

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passed the groups
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passed him
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but disqualified by this team, one lv above.
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I 've played again with him in older CH.L. and Leagues and won him when we were in the same lv.
But nordeus offered him the gift of pay-back - lol

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so I 'm thinking to follow a plan.
To loose on purpose the league so to play next season in an equal CH.L.
I have a friend in the league who has a good team and if I 'll loose 3 games (one is vs him), he 'll win it.
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Ok, I followed the plan and finished 2nd in my league.
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This season, my CH.L. is from the same level with me and all the teams except one, finished at 2-3-4th position in their leagues !
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Only this guy make it (but he has low q).
How he did it?
Maybe got attracted by a friend ?
Don't know, i sent him friendship, maybe to find out.
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Now I need a reasonable league draw :o

In my CL level 13 league winners and level 14's placed 3rd, 4th and one 2nd. No chance to win it.

Weakest team is in my group. How did he manage to win the league???

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If you have the right friends ;)
LOL
No, true, if he played in a league with many friends with about same q (or some 2nd accounts) and some other semi-abandoned teams, yea, why not.

Yeah, probably something like that. :)


Next time you should try to finish 3rd or 4th and see if you end up with league winners one level below you.

In my champions league groups i have about 80% teams that i had in previous 2 seasons.
I have only 3 league winners lol and i find it very interesting how the groups are arranged
A 1,2,3,4 (last season place)
B 1,2,3,4
C 1,2,3,4
D 2,3,3,4
E 1,3,3,4 (my group)
F 2,2,3,4
G 2,2,3,4
H 2,2,3,4

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now i see the CL draw is ....all LV15 league winner + around 6 team from LV17 2nd to 4th place in LV16.....

Hm, checked all CL teams for my HFF account. Roughly 1 team above 70% (like 70,7), 3 other teams in range 60-70%, 5 other teams in range 50-60%. HFF is at 103%. I am not one to complain, but a bit weak huh? Of 32 teams, nobody basically seem to be active. HFF finished 2nd in league and CL last year and won the Cup.

Yeah my CL draw is weak too.

Thank you for your participation and feedback.
I made a research in the games/schedule of my (game) friends today.
Unfortunately I can see that this issue continues that season too.
About 25 of my friends are playing in groups with teams from above or bellow level (depending if the won their league or not).
Only a couple of cases I found, that the draw favor them - but this could maybe affected by another friend which they are playing together.

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some of them are also forum members :o

Also as I was searching the games and the levels, I found the craziest draw could be

2 teams 18 lv, one 16lv and one 21lv (the levels are the original and you can see also their team quality).
Cup draw looks reasonable comparing to that - lol

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That's not as bad as what Nordeus has 'rewarded' me with for spending tokens on my team to have 6 star players in all positions. This is my Champions League draw for this season. My Cup draw was the same and to say I am extremely angry with this stupidity would be an understatement. I demand an explanation from Nordeus.Attachment 70711Attachment 70712Attachment 70713

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I demand an explanation from Nordeus.

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all of us are waiting an explanation but they don't reply to that thread

Mini update
Last season I lost on purpose the league 1st position as I saw that winning the league is very possible to play in the next CH.L. vs opponents +1 level.
It happened to me and many friends.
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Indeed this season the winner of the League Freja, played in a +1LV CH.L. and disqualified.
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So far, I 'm playing in semi finals with teams of 5*-6* players.
The treble is on the table :o

Update again.
NIK won the treble (my 8th) so the strategy to loose the championship so to play in a same level CH.L. worked and it was worthy.
This season (lv25), even if I won the league, I play also in an equal lv CH.L. competition
:)

My other team, RINOKEROS (lv12) , also won the league, started this new season with a 6* team and playing in an impossible Cup.
Playing again in a CH.L. +1 level, also seems impossible.
So, from the beginning of the season, we have only hopes for the league title.
How disappointed :(

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Last season, I had +1 levels in the same champions league.

This season, all managers are the same level.

Going back several seasons.

+1 levels (levels 22, 24, 25, 26 and 27).

all same level (levels 23 and 28)

No higher levels prior to level 22.

I tanked levels 22 and 26

1st place in league (levels 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 and 27).

Another CH.L. draw with teams +1 level :mad:
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So this season I 'll try for the new cup of Super League (qualified there as third of the group).
Rinokeros goes for tanking this season, some good training only for the young fast trainers and saving sources for the next season.
If I 'll win the S.L., I can go for the treble. Let's see if it can works.

NIK gonna "sacrifice" again the 1st position of the league, to have an equal CH.L. draw next season.

not sure if a new thread has been created for this. if there is, appreciate if i can be linked up to it.

Anyway, my question is that for this season, i noticed CL draws comprises of teams from different levels. I am in level 22, but i'm seeing level 23 teams as well. Is this the new draw mechanism? If so, CL is no different from Cup matches now. I use to win CL with ease, don't seem to be the case now.

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not sure if a new thread has been created for this. if there is, appreciate if i can be linked up to it.

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your wish came true lol

Yes, I started this thread some seasons before, when my teams started playing in a +1 lv CH.L.
It's not that there aren't enough teams as this was happening before in higher lv teams.
It's happening every year in my LV10 team :p
* if I win the league title.

So yes, the CH.L. is the new Cup (for those who win their league).
It's not a 100% but it's the general rule.

Thanks Niko.

Well looks like it was plain sailing for me the past 21 seasons, but a much tougher fight this time around.

Hi guys,

As the new season starts I was checking out my Champions League competition.

I was very surprised to see that I was up against people one division higher, with (obviously) significantly stronger teams.

Now I know that in the League Cup this is a common thing, but in 16 seasons I have never seen this imbalance happen in the Champions League. Was I just lucky for 16 seasons or is this a new thing?

Number 1 of the league is added to the CL of 1 level higher. Also, number 5 is added to the SL of 1 level higher.

This is the second season with the new drawing system.

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Originally Posted by Guido van den Berg

Number 1 of the league is added to the CL of 1 level higher. Also, number 5 is added to the SL of 1 level higher.

This is the second season with the new drawing system.

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I see. Thanks. Well, I hope at least the money is better for being in a higher CL!

I am not sure if this is the answer. I just got promoted from 1st place and still am in CL with same level managers

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Originally Posted by rault

I am not sure if this is the answer. I just got promoted from 1st place and still am in CL with same level managers

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Consider yourself lucky. For the second season in a row all groups in my CL consist of:

- 1 team at the same level as me, that won the 1st place last season
- 3 teams at one level higher, that finished 2nd, 3th and 4th.

Same here my level 20 team is in with level 21 teams

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Originally Posted by Guido van den Berg

Number 1 of the league is added to the CL of 1 level higher. Also, number 5 is added to the SL of 1 level higher.

This is the second season with the new drawing system.

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Anybody knows what's the reason for this stupid thing? So when I'm good manager, who is active on the market, buy best players, or have a good training and have a strong team, then I'm "penalized" for being good not only in the cup, where I'm with teams one or two levels higher, but also in Champions league, where 3/4 of my opponents are one level higher? Great, really... :confused: