Fast, Normal or Slow Trainer?

How do you tell which players are fast, normal or slow trainers?

I know that the older a player gets, the slower they usually tend to be in terms of training, but I can't really tell which player(s) I should concentrate on if I aim to do any power training. Is there an easy way of checking this (either via a match I just played or if I do a stretch, cardio or practice match training session)?

I only ask as I don't want to end up power training a player and finding out that he is slow compared to another player I could have done it on.

If it helps, I will post my team later on (in work at the moment and, for some reason, I can't load up Top Eleven on my work computer) and the skill points/percentage they received from my last game.

Thanks in advance to those that reply.

the value is a strong indicator of training speed as well as their age, so if you have two 18yos with identical quality but one is worth double the other, its because he trains much more quickly than the less valuable one.

Of course, if you were really keen to understand the underlying training speeds of your players, you can just run each type of training a few times for all players over the next few days and record the gains, then take averages.

Its worth noting as well that when a player reaches a new star, their training speed slows. Its not too noticeable from 3 to 4* and 4 to 5*, but apparently if you train a guy to 6* or higher, there's a really obvious decrease in their training speed.

use search in right up corner and you will find a lot of threads about this !

"if you have two 18yos with identical quality but one is worth double the other, its because he trains much more quickly than the less valuable one."


this is NOT true. People told me this last season, so I bought an 18 yo that was worth 1,8 million (he was a 5-star). During my entire last season, there wasn't one single 18 yo in my transfer market that was worth more than him.
After I bought him, he turned out to be the slowest trainer EVER! One season later, he is still one of the worst trainers in my team. I have 23 yo's that train double the speed that he trains at

Two seasons ago I also bought an 18 year old goalkeeper who was worth 400k. He should have been a really slow trainer since almost every other 18 year old goalie was worth more than him.

Ever since I bought him, he has been the fastest trainer in my team. He is now worth 1,4 millions. (If I felt that power training was worth the wasted rest packs, I'd train him like crazy coz he is just that good at learning).

Just because your server don't have higher valuable youngsters don't mean the most expensive guy is a fast trainer. The value is a true indicator of fast trainers but you have to know the value itself. Example an 18 yo costs 5 million trains just as fast as a 20 yo costs 3 million. That is to say they are the same quality as well.

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Originally Posted by fmldotcom

Just because your server don't have higher valuable youngsters don't mean the most expensive guy is a fast trainer. The value is a true indicator of fast trainers but you have to know the value itself. Example an 18 yo costs 5 million trains just as fast as a 20 yo costs 3 million. That is to say they are the same quality as well.

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But still i will go for the 18 yo if i have the money, I like them young but too bad you can't get em any younger in T11

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Originally Posted by Bluebird Hewitt

How do you tell which players are fast, normal or slow trainers?

I know that the older a player gets, the slower they usually tend to be in terms of training, but I can't really tell which player(s) I should concentrate on if I aim to do any power training. Is there an easy way of checking this (either via a match I just played or if I do a stretch, cardio or practice match training session)?

I only ask as I don't want to end up power training a player and finding out that he is slow compared to another player I could have done it on.

If it helps, I will post my team later on (in work at the moment and, for some reason, I can't load up Top Eleven on my work computer) and the skill points/percentage they received from my last game.

Thanks in advance to those that reply.

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A fast trainer acquire speed of 30/60/90 on 3 bars. Very fast usually gets 35/70/120. depends on the number of stars and age of player. training brackets are 18-20/21-23/25/26/26-28/29-31/32-34.

I'm not 100% sure but seems to me 5*-6* training speed don't varies much. 7* is much slower and 8* is very slow while 9* is turtle speed

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Originally Posted by hullabaloo

"if you have two 18yos with identical quality but one is worth double the other, its because he trains much more quickly than the less valuable one."


this is NOT true. People told me this last season, so I bought an 18 yo that was worth 1,8 million (he was a 5-star). During my entire last season, there wasn't one single 18 yo in my transfer market that was worth more than him.
After I bought him, he turned out to be the slowest trainer EVER! One season later, he is still one of the worst trainers in my team. I have 23 yo's that train double the speed that he trains at

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Lol learn to read...

I never said he'd train fast, i said he would relative to a guy the same quality and age who's half his value. If you had a guy like that, he'd train much faster.

The value is a mix of 3 things, the age, the quality and the training speed. If you keep 2 of these things as constants, so 2 players with the same age and same quality, the difference in value will reflect the difference in training speeds... so YES, it is true...

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Originally Posted by Darth Sidious

But still i will go for the 18 yo if i have the money, I like them young but too bad you can't get em any younger in T11

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That just sounds wrong! ;)

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Originally Posted by kevsta

that just sounds wrong! ;)

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lmao ! ;)

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Originally Posted by fmldotcom

A fast trainer acquire speed of 30/60/90 on 3 bars. Very fast usually gets 35/70/120. depends on the number of stars and age of player. training brackets are 18-20/21-23/25/26/26-28/29-31/32-34.

I'm not 100% sure but seems to me 5*-6* training speed don't varies much. 7* is much slower and 8* is very slow while 9* is turtle speed

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"A fast trainer acquire speed of 30/60/90 on 3 bars." Do you refer to normal or hard?

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Originally Posted by mountaincat

"A fast trainer acquire speed of 30/60/90 on 3 bars." Do you refer to normal or hard?

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3 bars meaning hard, 2 bars is normal.

thank

For my experience, I'm in level 6. Most of all, 18 year GK in my level cost at most 8 or 10 million, but I bought a GK last week which cost 16 million and he trains very fast.......

I'm currently level 4 now, i bought player ages 18 39 quality, i bought numbered of rest pack with power training, i find out that keep training until the quality that u needed then only add those stats eventually u will gain those skill point faster than after u add those stats point.
for example quality 39 power training -3%, -6%, -9% u will get 2 skill point
whereas, quality 40 with same condition u probably get 1.5 skill point although on the screen it will show for quality 39 might get +35 from last training and quality 40 will get +40 from last training.

my current squad is enough for me to win this season, im planning to get my 18 years old player into quality 50 by end of this season but problem is i find out that every player has a max limit of it like you only add your stats until certain limit for example attack 58.6 now average whereas you cant anymore. is it available for me to up stats again once it reach higher level?


reload 50 usd to buy all rest pack for 4 player

advantages : train fast until what quality u needed level 4 50 quality = legend 8***
disadvantages : almost whole season that particular player cant attend any matches.

Training brackets tend to be...
18-21
22-25 (End of Power Training window)
26-27
28-29
30+

In my experience you can have identical players. One sneaks through transfers in round 1, the other gets bid up to 2x his market value. They both still train the same but the bid up player will now have higher market value. in this way you cannot always determine training by salary. pretty sure

Hopefully I have this right. I have just done a Practice Match training session on my whole team and received the below skill points:

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Sorry if the attachment quality is poor, as I don't normally do screenshots on a Mac. :(

Looking at my team (don't laugh, I never knew about the likes of power training, hence the quality of the team overall), the age and increases, am I right in thinking that the fast ones are those that went 120 and over (those effectively between 19-21), or is it not as easy as that?

Also, is it even worth power training any of these now due to the quality of the majority of them (3*-4*)?

I am due the youth players in the next 5 days, and I know nearly everyone here says it is pointless, they could easily improve my team in this case.

Any extra help is appreciated.

@jbfg8r
The value we're talking about is the one set by the game, not any sort of price some muppets who can't escape a bidding war set.

@bluebird, btw are u a Cardiff fan, see u at the derby next season if so ;)

you can get through the lower levels easy enough without power training, but if you're going to the bother of having young lads in your squad rather than cheap oldies, you might as well train them a bit harder at least and try to max their useful life.

Based on the guys I have, if you're buying 3*, 18yo, 29Q lads as you might have to, you wanna look for a value of probably 3.5m+.

Regarding your youth player, I'm unsure, two mates took theirs and weren't delighted, I took my guy for 14T, trained him a little, 2 days after arrival he's 27Q 3.65m trains +150 on hard practice regularly. If it's a need position, I'd gamble on him if u have the tokens to spare and still leave yourself 20 for next season. If you've got young guys in that position, pass on him. Just my 2p :-)

lol i'll rephrase... as you have 500T, i'd def consider a gamble if you're not flush with young players in his position!

If that guy at the bottom with +170 gets near that regularly, i'd def be throwing some green packs his way too

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Originally Posted by pinballgkh

@bluebird, btw are u a Cardiff fan, see u at the derby next season if so ;)

you can get through the lower levels easy enough without power training, but if you're going to the bother of having young lads in your squad rather than cheap oldies, you might as well train them a bit harder at least and try to max their useful life.

Based on the guys I have, if you're buying 3*, 18yo, 29Q lads as you might have to, you wanna look for a value of probably 3.5m+.

Regarding your youth player, I'm unsure, two mates took theirs and weren't delighted, I took my guy for 14T, trained him a little, 2 days after arrival he's 27Q 3.65m trains +150 on hard practice regularly. If it's a need position, I'd gamble on him if u have the tokens to spare and still leave yourself 20 for next season. If you've got young guys in that position, pass on him. Just my 2p :-)

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Yep, I'm a Cardiff fan. Don't say the derby (You Swansea or another fellow Cardiff fan?) next season, as I am still expecting us to mess it up again like in previous seasons. :(

Thanks for the input. I have started to train my 19 year old MC now and have managed to get him up to 33 in just under 24 hours (weekends are no good as I like a good lie in), so I'm hoping I can get him up to 35 by this evening (this is without buying any rest packs yet). Will hopefully work him up to a 6* and see what my youth's bring (4 days time).

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Originally Posted by fmldotcom

A fast trainer acquire speed of 30/60/90 on 3 bars. Very fast usually gets 35/70/120. depends on the number of stars and age of player. training brackets are 18-20/21-23/25/26/26-28/29-31/32-34.

I'm not 100% sure but seems to me 5*-6* training speed don't varies much. 7* is much slower and 8* is very slow while 9* is turtle speed

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Firstly, thanks to all who have contributed here.

I have a question about the comment above relating to training speed and stars. Does training speed correlate to the number of stars or the quality number? Stars recalibrate at the start of every season so if a player drops a star in the new season, does it mean he may train faster again?

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Originally Posted by violetmind

Firstly, thanks to all who have contributed here.

I have a question about the comment above relating to training speed and stars. Does training speed correlate to the number of stars or the quality number? Stars recalibrate at the start of every season so if a player drops a star in the new season, does it mean he may train faster again?

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Yes it does

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Originally Posted by fmldotcom

A fast trainer acquire speed of 30/60/90 on 3 bars. Very fast usually gets 35/70/120. depends on the number of stars and age of player. training brackets are 18-20/21-23/25/26/26-28/29-31/32-34.

I'm not 100% sure but seems to me 5*-6* training speed don't varies much. 7* is much slower and 8* is very slow while 9* is turtle speed

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Firstly, thanks to all who have contributed here.

I have a question about the comment above relating to training speed and stars. Does training speed correlate to the number of stars or the quality number? Stars recalibrate at the start of every season so if a player drops a star in the new season, does it mean he may train faster again?

After losing 1 star next season, the player training will improve. If for example your player is currently a 7* irregardless of which level you are. Next season he will be a 6* so his training skill progress return will be back to when he is a 6*. But age do play apart too. If he is getting older his return will also be effected.

Thanks guys. Sorry about the double post. My fat finger may have hit the post icon twice on this mobile screen.

This was a fantastic read, thank you to all who posted here this has really helped with my decision too. A help to all those interested.

Although this may seem stupid, I do have a question.

I'm a L2 manager. I have a 3* quality 19 AMC & a 4* quality 20 ST.

AMC 3* 19 Q - Age 18 is worth 1.67 Million
ST 4* 20 Q - Age 18 is worth 1.79 million

For a level 2 manager going into level 3, are these good investments?

Thank you all

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Originally Posted by Bluebird Hewitt

Yep, I'm a Cardiff fan. Don't say the derby (You Swansea or another fellow Cardiff fan?) next season, as I am still expecting us to mess it up again like in previous seasons. :(

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I'm a Swansea fan. Sadly, the embarrassing level of quality in the championship isnt enough to catch you lot, even in your usual Spring freefall :( Everyone's falling backwards and upside down over the finish line, but you're gonna get there first.

Yeah i managed to get my 19yo CF to 35Q but noticed a large drop off in his gaining speed. Luckily, he gets MOM at least 80% of the time so he gets about 100 for a standard game and another 100 for the MOM award :P Helps quite a lot with guys that get to scout!

I need to bump this topic for a clarification.

Some say : "no the amount isn't a point to spot a fast trainer".
Some say : "yes the amount is a point to spot a fast trainer".

So, I bought 2 youngsters last season, the cheapest of all, and they were all slow trainers compared to when I invested double amount for the same aged player who were decent trainers. What to conclude then ? I was lucky ? It was a coincidence ?

What we must be sure of before buying a fast trainer youngster from the transfer list then ?

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Originally Posted by -NMR-

I need to bump this topic for a clarification.

Some say : "no the amount isn't a point to spot a fast trainer".
Some say : "yes the amount is a point to spot a fast trainer".

So, I bought 2 youngsters last season, the cheapest of all, and they were all slow trainers compared to when I invested double amount for the same aged player who were decent trainers. What to conclude then ? I was lucky ? It was a coincidence ?

What we must be sure of before buying a fast trainer youngster from the transfer list then ?

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Your question reads strangely, so forgive me if I don't answer well

Basically, the highest value players train faster, which corresponds with what you have experienced

this thread is worth to be pinned

fast trainer is better :D

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Originally Posted by pinballgkh

Lol learn to read...

I never said he'd train fast, i said he would relative to a guy the same quality and age who's half his value. If you had a guy like that, he'd train much faster.

The value is a mix of 3 things, the age, the quality and the training speed. If you keep 2 of these things as constants, so 2 players with the same age and same quality, the difference in value will reflect the difference in training speeds... so YES, it is true...

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Talking like Isaac Newton!!! K=mgh, if u keep m and g constant, the only difference will be made due to h. Understan children!!!(P.S All of the students are dozing off)
Well, u r absolutely right.

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Originally Posted by memer

fast trainer is better :D

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Why you recover the old thread?

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The value is a mix of 3 things, the age, the quality and the training speed. If you keep 2 of these things as constants, so 2 players with the same age and same quality, the difference in value will reflect the difference in training speeds... so YES, it is true...

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I think this post is absolutely correct. Given the same age and same quality, the higher valued player will train faster.

To answer the question about the 18 yo $1.8MM player... You have to remember that the price of the players on the transfer wires is related to how much money you have in the bank. If you only have $1.5MM, it's not going to show you $3MM players that train super fast because you wouldn't be able to afford them anyway.

Looking at my own roster, when I sort by quality, then switch to contract details to see age and value, it clearly matches up to the (qty) * (age) * (training speed) = Value.

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Originally Posted by swickster

I think this post is absolutely correct. Given the same age and same quality, the higher valued player will train faster.

To answer the question about the 18 yo $1.8MM player... You have to remember that the price of the players on the transfer wires is related to how much money you have in the bank. If you only have $1.5MM, it's not going to show you $3MM players that train super fast because you wouldn't be able to afford them anyway.

Looking at my own roster, when I sort by quality, then switch to contract details to see age and value, it clearly matches up to the (qty) * (age) * (training speed) = Value.

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When you win a cone value is increased, not the wage. So, here the key to see in the market fast trainers, looking the age, and value, coz more fast trainer = more value. LOL

@ swickster
Don't bother to open a dialogue. Where did you find this thread
lol
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