An open letter to Nordeus

So the screwed up Cup system finally caught up with me too. I have been winning my league and champions league every season, but the cup has always eluded me. So this season I said to myself, let's blow some money for the first time and go for it. So I spent about $150 on scout players, training, you name it. My team mid-season is better than it has ever been at the end of a season. League and champions league have become piece of cake, borderline boring. That's how good my team is at my level.

Yesterday, I played the cup quarterfinals first leg and an hour before the match my opponent, who is 2 levels higher and was rated 4% higher, bought himself 3 8-star players. WTF??
Ok, so I tell myself I can do this with a really good strategy and we finally end up 2-2 after the first leg. So today, while I am working on a strategy for the return match tomorrow, I am studying his team and the players and notice that he bought two more 8-star players today. Ok, this really sucks now. So he has a team of all 7 and 8-star players now. Considering that he is only ranked eighth in his league, I am probably going to lose to a very average manager simply because he has access to players that I cannot get.

I am beyond frustrated, but ok, lesson learned. I will not spend a single dime on this game anymore until the cup system is fixed. If even with spending money on tokens and maximum effort the odds are in favor of higher league teams, then it simply makes no sense and I will accept that the cup is a non-starter. Ultimately, I do not need to spend money to enjoy the game. Way to go Nordeus, you guys are super business people.

I have read quite a bit on this board and I know that you can manipulate your team with low star players at the end of each season in order to get an easier cup draw, but this just goes against my ethics. I would like to have a chance fair and square. I enjoy building my team and training them and seeing them progress.
I have enough IT and programming background to know that this is not difficult to change. There have been numerous ideas floating around how to make the cup draw more fair. For some reason Nordeus does not seem to listen, so this customer here is answering by keeping his wallet shut from now on. I am sure there are plenty of others who feel the same and I can only imagine how much money Nordeus is foregoing this way.

Your opponent didn't just buy 8 star players, Sgdgolf.

You are seeing them as having 8 stars because of the difference of 2 levels between the two of you. That said I do get your frustration but this is simply the current design of the Cup competition. :(

That doesn't mean of course that the design can't be altered or changed completely. With the updates Top Eleven received this year alone it shows that the devs are reading player feedback and are working on improving the game as a whole.

Now whether or not the changes are easy or difficult to apply is something only the devs of Top Eleven will know for sure. Designing a game is not just about manipulating it's code. Every facet you change can leave ripples in the design philosophy of the game and inadvertently cause harm to how other systems operate. The game is one whole, it is a sum of it's parts and everything you nip and tuck will affect everything else around it. That's why designing and redesigning takes varying amounts of time.

I want to remind that with the latest update the number of clubs that can compete in a Cup competition group has been reduced to 64 Clubs down from 128. This was done with the intention of making the Matchmaker system have an easier time when grouping up Clubs and thus has significantly reduced the chance to end up in a Cup group where there is an outrageous level disparity. :)

Thats why in my 50th season I still only with the cup of ma signature basket that I won season 6. proud of it :')

But yea, I understand you... the cup maybe now thinking in a alternative option (apart from the options we know that are been suggested often...)... really, I think that the Cup can use the FA system facing stars vs stars.... I think is more easy to add the cup there than do one taking into account tha he market have these limits... so yea, Ive been mostly in +3-4 level cups and really, I understand that if we see the whole system is not easy to find a solution just doing a change of number of teams or so...

So, this... I think a "Real World Cup" and fair, can maybe be integrated in the FA's system, to allow face stars vs stars... and well, if can not be posible, even if is not the dfinitive solution, personally I think is not too bad the reduction that was done.... but now too my sensation is that the title design don't goes with it xD
"a world Cup title" should be for 1 team between many teams... I would love to see in the future a limit of 50 levels, in what the top 128 eams play this world cup and then, we have a fair system of lets say, "Nordeus Cups" based in FA system, so we all managers can have chances in the 3 competitions every month.


...and here I finish ma desires as manager for now xD
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I have no complain for my Cup trophies but I agree that this is the most fair

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really, I think that the Cup can use the FA system facing stars vs stars..

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but ...
as Jeeves saying

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Designing a game is not just about manipulating it's code. Every facet you change can leave ripples in the design philosophy of the game and inadvertently cause harm to how other systems operate.

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so what are you saying Khris although can be the solution, it may cause a serious problem because many people playing the game from their pc - the old version because simply they can't use the new version.
You saw what happened this season with the new update.
So this suggestion may cause a serious problem to a big population of T11 players.
I think first the game/program must be more pc friendly and later can use this idea.

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I have read quite a bit on this board and I know that you can manipulate your team with low star players at the end of each season in order to get an easier cup draw, but this just goes against my ethics.

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and this isn't :p

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So I spent about $150 on scout players

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ok ...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I have no complain for my Cup trophies but I agree that this is the most fair

but ...
as Jeeves saying


so what are you saying Khris although can be the solution, it may cause a serious problem because many people playing the game from their pc - the old version because simply they can't use the new version.
You saw what happened this season with the new update.
So this suggestion may cause a serious problem to a big population of T11 players.
I think first the game/program must be more pc friendly and later can use this idea.





and this isn't :p


ok ...:rolleyes:

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There are options, this is the truth... how difficult are to implement? only admins know.... true that well, maybe I ask for too much adding cup in the FA's... creating a top server with a Special max level cup.... the own system make it difficult..... but options are there taking a look at the main target, that is, have a cup less manipulable and with less market disadvantage as we have now...... ......what about a dual system, with a server doing cups per level, and adapting the situation to reduce the arket disadvantadge, creating cups of 64 or 128 teams? so the server can balance cups doing some of 64 and some of 128 and adapt hese to put all teams of "same market level inside" or max. +1 level xD

Soon we will write a book of memories with all this xD

30 seasons here ..1 cup.... won in my second season ,i have no idea how to win the cup now even when i have a good team i could easily lose against weaker team or stronger in the cup ,it's an enigma or pure luck to be a cup winner .

Ethics... It's against mine to spend $150 in a game. I can afford that, not my problem: so I would win every league and CL and those who can't pay, they just lose ?
I have no problem with the cup system. Same with the other competitions. Sometimes I win, sometimes not.

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Ethics... It's against mine to spend $150 in a game. I can afford that, not my problem: so I would win every league and CL and those who can't pay, they just lose ?
I have no problem with the cup system. Same with the other competitions. Sometimes I win, sometimes not.

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For those of you who did not get the meaning of my post. I thought I made it clear that this was a one-time event. I just wanted to see if it is possible to win the cup by spending money. After all, I am, sure Nordeus has a financial interest and is not doing all this because they have nothing better to do.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I have no complain for my Cup trophies but I agree that this is the most fair

but ...
as Jeeves saying


so what are you saying Khris although can be the solution, it may cause a serious problem because many people playing the game from their pc - the old version because simply they can't use the new version.
You saw what happened this season with the new update.
So this suggestion may cause a serious problem to a big population of T11 players.
I think first the game/program must be more pc friendly and later can use this idea.





and this isn't :p


ok ...:rolleyes:

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We seem to have different ideas of what is ethical, but I am not surprised about that. My philosophy is to use the game as it is intended to be used. Manipulating your team to use a weakness in the code cannot possibly be the intention of the programmers. Maybe you see the difference now? And again, this was a one-time experiment.

Again, I just wanted to make a point that it is senseless to spend money in this game. I tried once and I know the result.
I have no problem with this at all. Hey make me play against teams that are 10 levels higher than me. I can live with that, no problem.

It is Nordeus that has a problem, when players figure out there is absolutely no point in spending money on this game. But I guess they are ok with that, so all is good.
Keep enjoying this free game, I know I certainly do.

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Originally Posted by Sgdgolf

Again, I just wanted to make a point that it is senseless to spend money in this game. I tried once and I know the result.
I have no problem with this at all. Hey make me play against teams that are 10 levels higher than me. I can live with that, no problem.

It is Nordeus that has a problem, when players figure out there is absolutely no point in spending money on this game. But I guess they are ok with that, so all is good.
Keep enjoying this free game, I know I certainly do.

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If you spent your money buying players off the "Scout list" ?….
Then you went around it the wrong way what you proved is that you can throw way 150 instead of being a little smart with it ;)

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Originally Posted by Sgdgolf

Again, I just wanted to make a point that it is senseless to spend money in this game.

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Senseless is relative

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Originally Posted by Steve Martin

"I love money. I love everything about it. I bought some pretty good stuff. Got me a $300 pair of socks. Got a fur sink. An electric dog polisher. A gasoline powered turtleneck sweater. And, of course, I bought some dumb stuff, too."

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Unrelated to the topic, thank you Nordeus for allowing this discussion without censoring it. Nowadays a lot of things get deleted or censored if it does not fit the image of the site owner. So thank you for letting people express their opinion freely.

It is not just the cup that is a complete joke... league competition too. My league is loaded with 8 and 9 stars clubs... 1 or 2 clubs are 10 stars. I'm on 5 stars players. And I got auto promoted despite having finished below 8th for 2 seasons. I've been dealing with all these 8, 9, 10 stars clubs in league competition for MANY MANY SEASONS recently.

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Originally Posted by meis

It is not just the cup that is a complete joke... league competition too. My league is loaded with 8 and 9 stars clubs... 1 or 2 clubs are 10 stars. I'm on 5 stars players. And I got auto promoted despite having finished below 8th for 2 seasons. I've been dealing with all these 8, 9, 10 stars clubs in league competition for MANY MANY SEASONS recently.

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My game only goes up to 9* players.
Sounds like you've got the Nordeus equivalent of a Spinal Tap amp there........

well @meis
this thread is An open letter to Nordeus

but I think your case is here To who it may concern...
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...y-concern.html

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this is a cup match,I've seen 1 or 2 levels biger, but 4 ..???????? see the difference...how can i win? can anyone at all in my lvl leagues??? what's the point here and and what this guy does here???I do not think anyone has a good explanation but pls lets try....I am very disappointed

ok, @ VannHell
I merged your thread with this because it has the same subject.
As the matter of fact, in every page of this section there is a similar subject so this issue is always in the first line (as about boosters too :p ) and makes the forum more boring to read and more difficult to find an older thread with an interesting subject you were looking for.
So, welcome to the forum.
As you 're here, you can read this
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...p-changes.html

saying that top quality of 14 players counts for the Cup draw, so your oppo (who looks expert to this) used this method
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...w-win-cup.html

to have an easier draw.
Some say it's cheating, some say it's not fair, some really don't care about the Cup, some farming, some paying a lot of money.
But that's the way the game is (for now).
So now you know and you can decide which road and targets to choose.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

ok, @ VannHell
I merged your thread with this because it has the same subject.
As the matter of fact, in every page of this section there is a similar subject so this issue is always in the first line (as about boosters too :p ) and makes the forum more boring to read and more difficult to find an older thread with an interesting subject you were looking for.
So, welcome to the forum.
As you 're here, you can read this
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...p-changes.html

saying that top quality of 14 players counts for the Cup draw, so your oppo (who looks expert to this) used this method
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...w-win-cup.html

to have an easier draw.
Some say it's cheating, some say it's not fair, some really don't care about the Cup, some farming, some paying a lot of money.
But that's the way the game is (for now).
So now you know and you can decide which road and targets to choose.

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nikolgiorgos Im not new,i know this.just I did not know it could reach such a difference.I like fair play in life and because there will not be able to fight whit NORDEUS easier way will be to stop playing.just tell me,is there any way we can change that?why not 1lvl vs 1lvl ,2 vs 2 ,3 vs 3...??? thats fair

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Originally Posted by ElPocho

30 seasons here ..1 cup.... won in my second season ,i have no idea how to win the cup now even when i have a good team i could easily lose against weaker team or stronger in the cup ,it's an enigma or pure luck to be a cup winner .

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Yep, just the one cup here too although I've lost 2 other Cup Finals.


KFC Loella
Level 36
18 League Titles
5 Champions League
1 Cup

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

ok, @ VannHell
I merged your thread with this because it has the same subject.
As the matter of fact, in every page of this section there is a similar subject so this issue is always in the first line (as about boosters too :p ) and makes the forum more boring to read and more difficult to find an older thread with an interesting subject you were looking for.
So, welcome to the forum.
As you 're here, you can read this
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...p-changes.html

saying that top quality of 14 players counts for the Cup draw, so your oppo (who looks expert to this) used this method
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...w-win-cup.html

to have an easier draw.
Some say it's cheating, some say it's not fair, some really don't care about the Cup, some farming, some paying a lot of money.
But that's the way the game is (for now).
So now you know and you can decide which road and targets to choose.

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nikolgiorgos im not new,i know this.just I did not know it could reach such a difference.i like fair play in life and because I can not fight nordeus the
easiest way is stop playng.just tell me,is there way we change this? why not 1lvl vs 1lvl,2 vs 2,3 vs 3....thats fair

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I did not know it could reach such a difference

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things can be worst in higher levels and not only in the Cup

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is there way we change this?

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at the moment only with this tactic above.
We are players, we 're managers and take decisions only for our team

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why not 1lvl vs 1lvl,2 vs 2,3 vs 3

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then the wealthiest teams (token buyers, farmers) gonna win every competition

why is it unethical to pay money into this game to improve your team? i see zero problem with it. i would venture that most of us on this game do have the ability to pay for extra tokens (you have the internet, and some form of device to get on to play the game). i would go on to say that most people playing do not want to pay. thats cool..its all about choice. pay, dont pay. get rests, dont get rests...it doesnt matter.

If you ever want to win a cup, just go inactive for 3 months, come back and spend the bonus tokens and crush an easy 4 star cup competition lol, I'm about to do it on my wife's account. I'm also in Cup SF on my main squad vs 1 level higher clubs. Good tactics and squad planning make challenges like this exciting for me.

You do not need to spend money to win the cup, its not that difficult, with decent tactic and attending at every cup game .... it should be doable.....

I have won cup 7 times and even if "sleepers" (managers who sleep few seasons and than buy decent players at their level) are not a problem....

make sure that all your players are NGE so wake up early and buy them, not rubbish who has been sold during the day
always give your player special ability , although its not confirmed, I do believe, special ability can rate as a 1 star, at least it looks that way from my games...

here you go some results I did this season... QF
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, second I have won 3-2 at home

today, another sleeper turned up ... and left with empty hands... cant wait for replay game
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and one more thing I forgot to mention... in the games you play stronger opponent, NEVER make a sub (as per images, I do not do it anymore.... everytime I did a sub, I conceded badly..... I think its a bug (not confirmed haha, but works for me :) )

Just never give up, never spend money and use right tactic, you will do it one day mate :)Attachment 72938

As always they are making hard to contact them, if you write something they dont like they delete your post. When you ask them something they answer in blah...blah form .

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Im at level 41...won over 20 league titles...2 CL with 5 more finals...but in cup i was 2-3 times at 1/4 finals. Usually im out i qualifications. I have tried lot of things but they always put me with teams 2* above me.

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They should do the same thing as with associations. Only stars should matter.

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