Equal quality, same setups, same players ==> SAME OUTCOME?

So we decided to take advantage that we are almost at same quality with madflo and as we are in same asso we can arrange some friendlies taking advantage with this similar quality
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We setup same formation 451v and almost same tactics.
We did not use high pressure and no m2m.
Most settings were the normal ones.
Arrows also almost the same.

First match
From the very first minutes Clover rating were too low.
Milan was outstanding having too many shots on target.
You had the feeling that quality between players was huge.
Outcome, a huge win for Milan.
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Second match
Same exact setups as the first one.
A completely different game.
Clover was a bit better at frist half better ratings, except GK.
Milan managed to get it to 1-1, but one more goal resulted to a close win for Clover.
Equal stats and ratings, a pretty much realistic outcome.
This is what we expected, close match and rolling the dice would chose the winner (or not)
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In less than one hour we have a 3rd friendly with exact same setups plyers etc etc etc.
Can you guess the score? :p
And really what the f is wrong with the engine, why so much differences between same games??

Something like this
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All I changed is the choice of +5% bonus from attack to defence. ;)

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Great experiment guys.
The same thing happens with teams that you beat easily in the league and are suddenly good in the cup or CL.

We are awaiting your conclusions about this nice experiment (sorry, the scientist in me cannot remain silent...). I would say that this looks exactly like the typical asso game. You win first leg 6-0, 23 shots to 4 and you lose the second one badly with exactly the same settings. If I tried to defend the game, I would say that I don't think it would have been the same in REAL games: I mean, the individual competitions'.

are you both using the win bonus of 15 million ?

what about the morals ? are you both having same morals ?
don't forget that both games as i see were played on the same land (clover) ... which is not good to make 100% objective conclusions ... because one team is only losing power ...

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

what about the morals ? are you both having same morals ?
don't forget that both games as i see were played on the same land (clover) ... which is not good to make 100% objective conclusions ... because one team is only losing power ...

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You still believe that player morale has an impact in the game??? I envy you.

no morale no condition apply in Asso FA.

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In few hours i will post the result of 3rd match with happened on Milan home land ;)

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Originally Posted by Cloverfield

In few hours i will post the result of 3rd match with happened on Milan home land ;)

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We can't wait for it lol

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We can't wait for it lol

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One time I will destroy you and I will make it a huge poster in Nordeus building. :p

Third match
So third match was done in Milan's land.
It looked quite similar than the first one.

Although same setups, bonuses, morales, tactics, players etc etc, this time Clover's defense failed badly.

I tried hard to identify what could cause this huge differences between the matches.
All matches should be close.
They could have all the same winner, I can accept that.

Luck plays a big role in real football as well.
But luck cannot bring a close game into a total disaster.

Anyway this kind of randomness makes a bit sad.
I would really like that algorithm focuses on tactics.
And the deeper we get in the understanding of how engine works, the more disappointed I become.

Pitty, there is so much room of improvement in this field.

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At least, the score is consistent with the stats. I used to believe that unlike in real life, if both tream use the same tactic, the best one (on paper) loses (Clover). This would give strength to that belief. But recently, I prove this wrong sevral times. Verdict: I have no clue !!

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At least, the score is consistent with the stats. I used to believe that unlike in real life, if both tream use the same tactic, the best one (on paper) loses (Clover). This would give strength to that belief. But recently, I prove this wrong sevral times. Verdict: I have no clue !!

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I have not stop looking at the games to retrieve more info. I may find something.

For example I spotted one difference that makes me happy.

Central defenders of Milan were more consistent than mine.
Their rating were pretty high even in the match where Milan lost.
They are older players than mine, so keep training them in their good stats, boosted a lot their defense average.
This is a good clue , why Milan's defense reacted better than mine
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I would've liked to add something regarding those matches,but today,after one of my association match,i got this comment from ass man and i said ,wtf i now **** about those associations lol
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I would've liked to add something regarding those matches,but today,after one of my association match,i got this comment from ass man and i said ,wtf i now **** about those associations lol
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Did you have all the morale up? lol

50% of asso games, maybe more, are completely out of our hands.
I am not sure if it is on purpose, or it is a bug which miscalculates quality

After all calculation of quality in association has some extras because you have to calibrate quality depending on levels.

your oppo was at level 44 way more than you,
How sure are we that the BIG BUG with association quality has totally been fixed?

Results are pointing that it is not.

Assos, and asso games in particular, are just a nightmare. They probably need to use a lighter version of the game engine to allow teams from different servers to play against each other. The normal one is not exactly faultless. But the asso version is definitely crap.

I agree about association matches no need to put much thought in them. As for close matches I think the game uses some tricks or little clues to justify the final result. Why did I lose against this team oh it was because x defender or the GK did not have a good day. Sometimes an unexpected red card will determine the reason you lose. Other times are goals the opponent scores on set pieces you can't really complain there as it is pure luck weather the player scored or not. I had a 0-0 draw yesterday after dominating the game 70% and my attackers had all high ratings but they didn't score despite changes in tactics or subs. How was it justified his GK was man of the match. He is higher level but we both have similar ratings. Today I have a feeling I'm gonna win but man I wish I knew what actually happens on the pitch in this type of games.