I've read the post, analysed it and posted my considered reply above. The purpose for which I used the match preview screen has now been totally negated by this move, and as such I do not like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasha m
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I've read the post, analysed it and posted my considered reply above. The purpose for which I used the match preview screen has now been totally negated by this move, and as such I do not like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasha m
and it doesn't even add up ! i replaced a 139% striker with a 32% striker and still same % on home screen. wtfQuote:
Originally Posted by talisman
That's what I mean. I had two matches in just over three hours for one of my teams today, the first was against a bottom-feeder with a crap Quality so I wanted to rest a few hi-Q players for the second match. I was wondering why, when I put lower-Q players in for them the Quality on the match preview didn't change, as it did yesterday, and the months before. Now I know, and I'm p*ss*d off about it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie72
One of my other teams has two of the best Quality players injured (because that's what the match engine does). If they're still included in the match preview Quality % then what the use of it???
my home screen shows 118% (and they are my best players). however when i go to my league table and click another club to see comparisons my overal team quality is 121.5% . what the feck is all this crap ????????????? !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by talisman
@talisman
yeah I've noticed you have edited that post.
sure, quality of starting 11 should be visible. i guess it's too much to ask to have both. but IF this prevents someone to hide his best players in reserves and use that to fool matching system, I'm all for that. does not bother me is there 3 or 5% difference in displayed quality of my team (big deal, really.jeysus.), as long as the other guy can't cheat for 320%.
I saw such an update coming... Luckily enough, I've created a Libreoffice calc-sheet which analyses all my opponents I play against, considering just the real first eleven I'm facing. The only human interaction is putting in 33 numbers before every matchup, and even that would've been automated a long-time ago if Nordeus woudn't be so dick-headed about needing a god-damn Face-the-**** account which should be linked to play a god-damn browser game... Not in this lifetime, however, I'd rather drop dead...
The only editing I'be done to my posts are to maintain consistency in terminology or correct stupid predictive text errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasha m
There are other ways to see if any opponents have 'hidden away' any players, and any sensible managers already know how to find them. The loss here is the simple display of the comparison of Quality in starting XIs.
If the opposition manager has hidden players in their squad to reduce the starting XI Quality and brings them out again just before KO, then the alert manager will be logged on ready several minutes beforehand to detect this and make the appropriate changes, but in my experience most managers don't attend matches and for a while before the start of the match, WYSIWYG...
What You See Is What You Get.
I'll save you having to answer that one.
I swear to God I've got an albatross hanging from my neck!
4 seasons ago I tanked for the first time........that was the season Nordeus announced the end of association loans! Doh!
Same season, I bought a 3 star striker and began pumping him full of greens to create my very own mutant............You guessed it. They put the 340% cap in. Doh!
Last season I sold 4 players at 119% to manipulate the draw for the first time ever. It seems to have worked, but.......now this.
Is this going to affect draw manipulation? How? Why have they done this?
Where's the money?
Something smells fishy. And it ain't the breath from the albatross, cos it's dead.
Please, start exploiting the rest of the game, maybe then Nordeus will finally fix it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Altiplano
Well, as I understand the game fix the last exploit manipulating the team average. But the main question still remains: How does this new average affect the result? Nordeus is not clear about it:
"This is a visual change that hasn't touched matchmaking at all."
What does "at all" means? In my case, I draw this two matches being favourite before and after this actualice... it sucks
I hope my screenshot show you something :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SausyFC
if you saying 3% difference is not countable then I can bring more screenshot :p
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this suggests the quality of the starting 11 has never made a difference as far as the results go, right?
surely if quality of your 11 did affect the outcome they wouldn't remove the ability to see it.
Hi, I've checked my top14 average quality and it results 118,6% instead of 119,3% , actually shown for my team.Quote:
Originally Posted by SausyFC
Apart from gaps,I think quality management is so confusing as many of us are just pointing out.
For each team we should see :
1) quality of actually entered formation,we consider in evaluation of match hardness
2) Top11 quality
3) Top14 quality
The quality for the whole team (over than 14 players) is not usefull at all....
Really nothing has changed , get over it.
Nothing has changed except the fact that we can no longer tell how strong our opponent is. Imagine facing a squad filled with 7 star players in the starting 11 but has one star players on the bench. The total quality will trick youQuote:
Originally Posted by John Grant
Hi ibangaliQuote:
Originally Posted by ibangali
If Rashid FC is the club from which you're taking your screenshot (your club/a friend's), then the numbers will be different until the release of the next update as mentioned in my original post, as this requires a client-side update.
exactly the oposite is true now. it displays quality of his BEST 14Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan117
regardless are they in starting 11, are they substitutions or reserves. or even (somebody here noticed) out of the match due to cards or injuries
That's the point I'm trying to make. It's now difficult to ascertain the quality of your opponent's first eleven except you calculate it yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by sasha m
100% useless update. Well done. ^^
It appears another decision has been made by somebody who doesn't play the game. Obviously it is way more important to see how strong your opponent's starting eleven is compared to having consistency in the game.
However, if the true purpose is actually to counter draw manipulation, then I welcome the effort... just not the execution.
Hi,what is changed is only the % quality shown for any team (only a label):
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Now, I'm making a deep turnover in last Champions league group match,as I qualify to Playoff stage as first anyway,and I'll face an over 140% opponent at 1/8 Finals,so I need to rest all tired and booked players to have them available for that match.
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The match is evaluated yet on preview statistics ,and no longer on % quality average shown above .
So, who do you think the favourite is?
I do so admire the Nordeus Developers because they are very genious how to cheat, how to suck money, how to make lose the triple crown, and how to receive negative issues from gamers.
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Of cours the AvQ of the best 14 players is the reference needed to planify the matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matteo de Clemente
This was the old system, that didn't change the AvQ displayed depending of the 11 under the field, and IMO is the right system, too as you say we can compare the areas with the 3 bars and we have too a enlightened screen where there's the actual formation, despite I miss a info there about the 11's AQ vs 11's AvQ to have a real live comparison in one place, meanwhile we can see the real Max AvQ that should be displayed, ofc.
Hi SausyFC,Quote:
Originally Posted by SausyFC
Does it consider the best 14 players or the best 14 eligible players (w.r.t. red cards, etc.)?
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after this update, my team lost 4 straight games, was in 2nd in the league, fighting for the title, now I'm falling like a rock from the top of a building
It's the 14 best players in your team, dsio. If their contracts with the team are signed, they are included in the average.Quote:
Originally Posted by dsio
If you want to bring justice to the league draws ,champion league draws, cup draws after a new season begun take the average quality of first 11 or 14 players with most appearances of all matches played in last season (except friendlies) and bring those persons to the right league.
If this is impossible then the system you brought us here is the next suitable for this purpose.
Only few players with a lot of tokens can sell and buy a whole team in 1 day to take this advantage.
Hi, I suppose that 123% was the quality of 11 players you usually enter (and i also suppose it's your 11 best players quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan117
The updated version is now showing 117% for you,that's your 14 best players quality (normally lower than top11 quality).
Top14 quality is used by nordeus when season starts to group teams into competitions.
So you can evaluate which kind of average challenge your competitions may have.
I woke up this morning to see that my team quality has moved from 121% to 127% which is the average quality of my first 11.has nordeus finally reversed this feature?
Hi everyone,
In response to the feedback we've received, the displayed quality on the home screen/club profile will now show your starting XI. Please see this thread for more info.
