my ball possession suddenly dropped

hey guys,
i'm struggling to find a reason on the forum why i lost my league match tonite just i couldn't.
So decided to subscribe and post a message.

I was playing
GK
DC - DC - DC
DML - DMR
MC - MC
AMC
ST - ST
tonite, and at minute 38 of a match i haven't changed anything (and was leading 1.0), the system just got mad and gave me suddenly 20% ball possession and a red card to my best central defender who conceded a penalty for a handball.
I wonder if formation above is legal - otherwise i can't explain the sudden drop in the ball possession. What do you guys think? Can Red Arrow / blue arrow have had any influence?
if someone can give me a clear explanation of those arrows, i would also appreciate much.
Thanks

u need 3 central midfielders. After the red card it was an illegal formation -> 20% posseson

have you tried different formations?

You need 3 defenders (DML/DMR don't count they are classed as midfielders) when your defender got a red card it left you 2 at the back and it put you into an illegal formation.

oh, I misread. i thought a midfielder got the red card

then its clear, just listen to July :D

Just checking: in case of a red card we need at least 3 defenders - 3 midfielders and 1 striker, to be a legal formation that's it?...

Not necessarily, you can play 2 midfielders if you want to.

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Originally Posted by Narf

Not necessarily, you can play 2 midfielders if you want to.

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Isn't what the guide says, but please anyone feel free to comment about this situation when we got a red card in the game.

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Theoretical Legal Formation Requirements:

• Goalkeeper (Must be player's natural position i.e. a GK) **
• Some combination of at least 3 defenders (i.e. 3 players anywhere in the back row )
• At least 1, but no more than 2, players on EACH outside flank. {the D(L/R), DM(L/R), M(L/R), AM(L/R) slots}
• at least 3 midfielders (DM*, M*, AM*) at least one of which has to be in the middle row (MC, ML or MR) *This rule isn't totally confirmed
• At least 4 players on the opponents side of the pitch.
• at least 1 Striker

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Originally Posted by casper™

Isn't what the guide says, but please anyone feel free to comment about this situation when we got a red card in the game.

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Sorry, I though you were talking about MC/MR/ML specifically. Yes, you do need 3 *M* players, but you'll have a tough job not having them on the pitch even with a red card - you have 5 defender spots and 3 for strikers, I haven't seen a sane formation that fills both. :)

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Originally Posted by casper™

Isn't what the guide says, but please anyone feel free to comment about this situation when we got a red card in the game.

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i seen teams playing with 1 mid and not suffered no possession penalty

illegals is
- no wingers or fullbacks at each side
- no 3 CB at back
- no striker
i think you can even play with no CM at all

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Originally Posted by Narf

Sorry, I though you were talking about MC/MR/ML specifically. Yes, you do need 3 *M* players, but you'll have a tough job not having them on the pitch even with a red card - you have 5 defender spots and 3 for strikers, I haven't seen a sane formation that fills both. :)

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No sorries, please. Maybe I not clearly explained what I wanna mean. But it's cool to discuss this, because I'm prettyy sure when I'm playing with 10 I played with a illegal formation for not knowing these rules consequently my possession have decreased.

Thank You for the tips.

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Originally Posted by shwanko07

i seen teams playing with 1 mid and not suffered no possession penalty

illegals is
- no wingers or fullbacks at each side
- no 3 CB at back
- no striker
i think you can even play with no CM at all

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I'll try with a weak team someday... TY.

read about it..
http://forum.topeleven.com/formation...ion-rules.html

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Originally Posted by casper™

Isn't what the guide says, but please anyone feel free to comment about this situation when we got a red card in the game.

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That guides questionable........

I think it means this: look at the formation from a previous game. You will see red, yellow, and green circles to represent Strikers, Midfielders, Defense respectively. As long as you ALWAYS have at least 3 green(any combo of DC/DR/DL), 3 yellow(any combo of DML/DMC/DMR/ML/MC/MR/AML/AMC/AMR) and one red (ST), then you will NOT be penalized with 20% possession.

Also, you need at least one player on each wing, for a total of two players and they can be any player of any position. I think you can put a ST on a wing but he will be playing out of position. Can anyone confirm that playing an ST on the wing will only cause a position penalty and not a possession penalty?

When you lost your DC to a red card, you needed to substitute any player to bring on another Defenseman (DL/DC/DR).

what? at least 4 players in oppoentìs side? i've never seen this neither i could imagine.

The ball possession dropped before i got the red card for my back defender... but it's reasonable to think that probably the system anticipated itself and the red card caused the drop in the ball possession few minutes before it happened.
I can confirm i immediately made a change to to have the third player as defender - just as i probably replaced an attacker and i was playing with 2 DML (so in my side) i had only 3 players in opponents side and that's the reason why the ball possession didn't go up again! very interesting.

thanks for all your feedback guys!

sorry, those were not two DMLs of course... were a DML and a DMR :)

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Originally Posted by casper™

Isn't what the guide says, but please anyone feel free to comment about this situation when we got a red card in the game.

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You do NOT need ML/MC/MR in your squad for it to be illegal. You will lose some possession but it is not an illegal formation.

I have played against a formation without ML/MR/MC and no team got 20%, in fact it was quite evenly matched