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What is difference between player position in the field and arrows? Let's say mc position. When i put him downward the field he probably are going to be more defensive if upward - more offensive. If i give him down arrow - more defensive; up arrow - more offensive. So what's the difference?
I don't think position in box works anymore.
It's been cosmetic many seasons ago.
I think player position in the box works, during some friendly matches i move around the players, for example a ST more to the right or more to the left and you can see that the starting position of the player change ( during animations at least ).Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
I think it's only visual.
For example if you set Wall (tanking) formation, they start from the sides of the field but then playing and marking oppo players.
Or attacking from all the space.
But the penalty in calculations-game mechanics still exists.
So if you put a DMC back or forth in the box, might starting from that position but doesn't affect game calculations.
But if you put an up or down arrow, this will add something in your defense or attack power (reducing the other side).
That's my personal believes.
Y the tanking formation example is perfectQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
If one has to believe the numbers that the software comes up with when you save a formation (e.g. 4-4-2, 3-1-2-3-1 etc as auto detected by the program when you save formation) then it would work like this:
for DC, DMC, MC, AMC, ST position has no effect. If you have two or more of them and try placing one much more forward or backward than the other, they are still read as if they were in a row.
for DL/R, ML/R, AML/R, position has some effect, at least in numerical naming of the formation.
Low DL/R are read as in line with DC, High DL/R are read as in line with DMC.
(Very) low ML/R are read as in line with DMC, "normal" ML/R are read as in line with MC, (very) high ML/R are read as in line with AMC
Normal or low AML/R are read as in line with AMC, high AML/R are read as in line with ST.
Note that you can obtain legal formations named 2-6-1-1 (using 2DMC, 2high DR/L and 2 low ML/R) or 2-1-6-1 (using 2 AMC,2 very high ML/R and 2 AML/R)
Whether this really means that a very high (right to the limit of the box) MR will play as AMR, or that a very low MR and a very high DR are the same position for the game, or is just a quirk, I leave as a reflection to the reader :)
So very high mr with red arrow plays like superman? :D Very high aml/amr plays like mc but not as st.
So still no connection between positioning and arrows. And what is the biggest problem, that there is still not answers from nordeus in all these years.
I doubt that they know the answer :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tomu741
Of the few that I tried, only functioned in the position of DR - DL and MR - ML ...
More precisely the wing area and more felt starting from the bottom position.
so they answered here
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-ready-12.html
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positioning doesn't matter, it's just DC, DMC, ML ... that the game reads.
To clarify ( after a lot of talks here in the forum and with the support ) , AML and AMR very high are not playing like MC but is a legit role , They are playing in the Second Striker role, a role between AMC and ST , to understand look this picQuote:
Originally Posted by tomu741
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The role is also called "central winger", cause they are wingers that play in the middle instead of the flanks
Regarding the arrows , i did a lot of tests ( and also a lot of talks about it )and in some roles you can see your player play in a more foward postition or
in a more deeper position , if you want to see it do this easy test : play a match with a defensive mentality and with a formation with MR (or ML ) and change the arrow on him during the match , you will see ( in the animation ) the player starting position more up or more deep.
Like i said before i can see the effect more on flank roles, amc and dmc role too , st sometimes ( with a back arrows sometimes drop deeper ) , difficult to see the effect on MC's (cause they already have the duty to go up and down) , DC difficult to see the effect.
So arrows simply make your player play in a more foward position or in a more deeper position than his starting position.
That's completely ilogical. One would expect a high winger to play as wide left/right forward, not as central second striker. One would expect that from an AMC who is positioned high/has a forward arrow. If this is official information, I qualify this as a bug..Quote:
Originally Posted by IImaestroII
Man, there is no such a role as central winger. But is a rf - right foward and lf - left foward. So maybe they play in this role. But in other hand what role has these 2 wide strikers when you play with 3st coz in reality that 2 wide strikers would be RF AND LF.
So now aml and amr. It means left/right attacking midfielders. This role is football is LAM AND RAM and usually are played with 4-2-3-1 formation (as 3 attacking midfielders) ( and you cant play with 3 amc because it;s illegal here). So now question: where the hell is left or right wing position in this game? You say aml/amr, it looks like, because here isn't another option.
I looked on the internet and "central winger" is the name which is given to the AMC in 4-2-3-1 lately. Summarizing, this is because he must not look for spaces to attack forward in the middle like the AMC in 4-3-1-2 for example, because there is none (he has only one ST in front of him, and normally 2 opponent's central defenders) but instead must, starting form the center, attack spaces opened by the wingers (who move, and bring their fullbacks away with them) on the left and right alternatively.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomu741
It's a subtle variant of AMC, far too sophisticated for top eleven. And makes no sense, because if it worked like it was stated, it would be impossible to use a "central winger" with two ordinary wingers in 4-2-3-1, which is the sole purpose the role exists for.
Right foward and left foward are AMR and AML they only play on the flanks not in the middle, pushing them foward is the only way to let them play as second strikers. In this pic you can see where the SS areQuote:
Originally Posted by tomu741
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Between the AM strata and foward strata
I definitely not agree that pushing them forward, they play as second striker. Second striker is striker who plays deeper than regular striker. And i havn't seen any second striker in this game.
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So this picture show that aml is left wing midfielder, when you push him upwards its become left wing. It cant be that you push wing up and he suddenly becomes striker. But this is top eleven. Here is more cosmetic things than useful functions. There are no explanations, no roles, nothing. You just play this game blindly and try to figure something out... blindly.
