Need an advice please :/

Hi everybody, I want an advice. I usually play 4-4-2 classic but since my only MR got injured yesterday I have to remove my ML too and change the formation. The upcoming match is very importand (CL final) and my opponent is using 4-4-2 classic. So since I can't use any wingers (ML,MR) I'm thinking of 5-3-2 or 4-3-3. I'll probably start with 5-3-2 and depending on the game's progress if I need a goal I'll change to 4-3-3. But first I want to ask you, is 5-3-2 (without ML,MR) a good formation to counter 4-4-2? And should I focus my passing through the middle? (I suppose middle is the 3 central lanes:confused:)

Do you not have any AML/AMR?

You can play with no MR. Just play with either an AMR or with an extra MC, or go with a DMR

------ST---ST------
----------------AMR-
-ML---MC-MC-------
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-DL---DC--DC----DR-

------ST---ST------
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-ML--MC-MC-MC----
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-DL---DC--DC----DR-

------ST---ST------
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-ML---MC-MC-------
----------------DML-
-DL---DC--DC----DR-

------ST---ST------
----------------AMR-
-ML-MC-MC-MC----- <-----I prefer this with AMR or DMR. outnumber him in the midfield.
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----DC--DC--DC----


Nothing in this game says you have to be symmetrical. You have many options still, just be creative and cover your ass to make sure you are sound defensively.

My whole squad is adjusted for 4-4-2 so, no AM-DM. If I have only one winger in one side, I don't know, it just seems α bit wrong :/
I may put him at some point but not from the start :p But, how about 5-3-2, 4-3-3, what do you think?

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Originally Posted by TheGunners

My whole squad is adjusted for 4-4-2 so, no AM-DM. If I have only one winger in one side, I don't know, it just seems α bit wrong :/
I may put him at some point but not from the start :p But, how about 5-3-2, 4-3-3, what do you think?

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I never, ever play with either of those 2 formations, so i could not tell you. regardless of either formation, you will not have the majority of possession unless your quality is much better. I prefer to equal or better an opponent in the midfield for possession and chances.

Good luck

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Originally Posted by cracicot

I never, ever play with either of those 2 formations, so i could not tell you. regardless of either formation, you will not have the majority of possession unless your quality is much better. I prefer to equal or better an opponent in the midfield for possession and chances.

Good luck

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Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by TheGunners

My whole squad is adjusted for 4-4-2 so, no AM-DM. If I have only one winger in one side, I don't know, it just seems α bit wrong :/
I may put him at some point but not from the start :p But, how about 5-3-2, 4-3-3, what do you think?

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I had the same issues earlier this season. Mostly I just played with three central midfielders and one wide man - it looks awkward, but it worked really well and meant I didn't have to adjust too much. Then I would swap in a striker for the wide man if I needed a goal

If you have DMR/L then 5-3-2 with wingbacks is a great formation, but a flat back 5 isn't as good IMO - when I play this I have red arrows on the wingbacks and the middle MC, with central attacking tactics

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Originally Posted by SimplySimon

I had the same issues earlier this season. Mostly I just played with three central midfielders and one wide man - it looks awkward, but it worked really well and meant I didn't have to adjust too much. Then I would swap in a striker for the wide man if I needed a goal

If you have DMR/L then 5-3-2 with wingbacks is a great formation, but a flat back 5 isn't as good IMO - when I play this I have red arrows on the wingbacks and the middle MC, with central attacking tactics

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Hmm.. seems I'll use my ML then and instead of MR I'll put an MC but not on the wrong position and if something goes wrong I'll change accordingly..

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Originally Posted by TheGunners

Hmm.. seems I'll use my ML then and instead of MR I'll put an MC but not on the wrong position and if something goes wrong I'll change accordingly..

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Isn't that illegal?

Mate, do you have DMR + DML?

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

Isn't that illegal?

Mate, do you have DMR + DML?

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No its not illegal, and no he said already he has no DM or AM.

Playing a player out of position is not the same as playing an illegal formation.

I meant 1 winger + 3 centre mids.

DMC isn't the same as DML, DMR.

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

I meant 1 winger + 3 centre mids.

DMC isn't the same as DML, DMR.

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Well I said DM(defensive midfielder = DML/DMC/DMR) and AM(attacking midfielder = AML/AMC/AMR)

He has none.

Again, 1 winger and 3 central anything is not illegal, just asymmetrical. As long as he has any player on the left wing and any player on the right wing he will be ok with any player in any position except GK apparently.

Again, Nordeus has never confirmed any of this for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

I meant 1 winger + 3 centre mids.

DMC isn't the same as DML, DMR.

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Well, as Cracicot said and as I mentioned before, I have no AML-AMC-AMR neither DML-DMC-DMR and it isn't an illegal formation because I have a DR and he covers the right side. One the left side however, I will have 2 players covering the side so that's pretty much the problem, that the formation is not symmetrical. Do I lose any possession by the way?

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Originally Posted by TheGunners

Well, as Cracicot said and as I mentioned before, I have no AML-AMC-AMR neither DML-DMC-DMR and it isn't an illegal formation because I have a DR and he covers the right side. One the left side however, I will have 2 players covering the side so that's pretty much the problem, that the formation is not symmetrical. Do I lose any possession by the way?

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No, as long as you have a legal formation, you can play an asymmetrical formation without penalty.

Sorry, as long as you have 3 midfield players of any type, 1 striker, 3 defense of any type and one player on the left wing and one on the right, you are ok according to the research done on illegal formations.

all that to say, as long as you have your DR and DL, you are ok.

I've had a lot of success with 4-3-3 this season. 3 good strikers, 2 good central midfielders and then one dude just filling a gap was enough to win several games. Plus of course an almighty defence and superstar goalie, combined with the infamous NGE randomisation.

One last question, defensive mentality with long balls means less possession? Should I use it only with stronger opponents or it works with weaker too? I mean, I still make plenty of chances, right? :confused:

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Originally Posted by TheGunners

One last question, defensive mentality with long balls means less possession? Should I use it only with stronger opponents or it works with weaker too? I mean, I still make plenty of chances, right? :confused:

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The quality of your team makes little difference if you put defensive with a defensive formation. If you are stronger, you should be attacking as long as your ass is covered.

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Originally Posted by cracicot

The quality of your team makes little difference if you put defensive with a defensive formation. If you are stronger, you should be attacking as long as your ass is covered.

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Hmm.. thank you for your help, I hope everything goes well :)

Ok, post your result and statistics after the match. Post your possession.

If you have a DR you have to have a DL or DML if you have a ML you have to have a MR or AMR.

That's my understanding anyway.

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

Ok, post your result and statistics after the match. Post your possession.

If you have a DR you have to have a DL or DML if you have a ML you have to have a MR or AMR.

That's my understanding anyway.

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No sir, as long as you have one player anywhere on the left wing and one player anywhere on the right wing, you are good to go.

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

Ok, post your result and statistics after the match. Post your possession.

If you have a DR you have to have a DL or DML if you have a ML you have to have a MR or AMR.

That's my understanding anyway.

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If I see that something doesn't go well, I will substitute my ML. I have been in the same situation before but I was playing with much weaker opposition so I couldn't end up in a conclusion. That's why I'm asking for help here.

So how did it go?