opponent has 2 injured on field, my players can't hit the goal

so i just lost the CL-final against a slightly stronger opponent (5-4 on penalties). and that's not what this post is about.

Instead this post is about how he played with TWO injured players yet my players couldn't even get a shot on target. We played the entire extra time with his 2 injured players and my guys just kept missing and missing the goal despite me using wingers against his 2 man midfield and having huge possession. wtf Nordeus?
As you can see, my players managed to get just 6 shots on target from 20 efforts which is frankly really poor.

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It's moments like these, when you realize that Nordeus really don't know how to code a game properly, that makes you wonder why you should even waste money on this game.

wow, another person saying the same stuff as myself. go figure.

Games like this prove me once again the results are predetermined.

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Games like this prove me once again the results are predetermined.

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Of course. Thats why they lock up the game with 3-4 minutes to go so they can run the simulation on the game and produce the result for the game to create the commentary. Cant see why most people refuse to believe this. This is not HAL or Big Blue, this is a simple game engine used for producing football results. C'mon people, open your eyes!

i don't think the game is simulated beforehand, or the commentary would be all wrong in regards to the subs i make.

I do however think that there are several serious flaws in this completely random game engine. For example sometimes you will notice that no matter what happens, one team just can't hit the goal. I think this happens becoz of a bug in the game-engine.

Strange because there are some guys here telling us all the time that we got our tactics wrong and all that :) Gentlemen, it's not about the tactics (unless you're using an illegal formation), it's about the bloody game engine!

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i don't think the game is simulated beforehand, or the commentary would be all wrong in regards to the subs i make.

I do however think that there are several serious flaws in this completely random game engine. For example sometimes you will notice that no matter what happens, one team just can't hit the goal. I think this happens becoz of a bug in the game-engine.

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No, they simulate the game, create the commentary and the commentary program allows for changes to be made that take into account the changes you make during the game.

So for example, the game decides your 4-4-2 beats his 4-3-3 by a score of 3-1 and one of your DC gets injured during the match in the 67th minute. During the actual commentary, you sub in another DC at 60th minute, so your sub DC gets the injury. All the game engine does is say that a DC gets injured. it was supposed to be Carragher, but you subbed him before the injury was going to happen and Agger got the injury instead. So this would work with goals as well. Once the game is done, it takes into account your changes during the game and makes the proper adjustment to its pre-game simulation and BINGO! you have your final result.

It really is that easy. Much easier than anything else.

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No, they simulate the game, create the commentary and the commentary program allows for changes to be made that take into account the changes you make during the game.

So for example, the game decides your 4-4-2 beats his 4-3-3 by a score of 3-1 and one of your DC gets injured during the match in the 67th minute. During the actual commentary, you sub in another DC at 60th minute, so your sub DC gets the injury. All the game engine does is say that a DC gets injured. it was supposed to be Carragher, but you subbed him before the injury was going to happen and Agger got the injury instead. So this would work with goals as well. Once the game is done, it takes into account your changes during the game and makes the proper adjustment to its pre-game simulation and BINGO! you have your final result.

It really is that easy. Much easier than anything else.

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If what you say is true, then what would happen if, (as you say), a DC was programmed to get injured, whether it was the starter or sub, the commentary would just be amended. But suppose you took off all your DC's before this happened and sent on strikers, and played an illegal formation. If the game was predetermined, but you had no DC's on the pitch, how would your assumption work then?

@cracicot, I see you still playing T11 :rolleyes:

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If the game was predetermined, but you had no DC's on the pitch, how would your assumption work then?

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His assumptions would be awesome for an X-Files episode. For T11 (or any other GAME), it sucks...

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If what you say is true, then what would happen if, (as you say), a DC was programmed to get injured, whether it was the starter or sub, the commentary would just be amended. But suppose you took off all your DC's before this happened and sent on strikers, and played an illegal formation. If the game was predetermined, but you had no DC's on the pitch, how would your assumption work then?

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Someone has to be injured. It just picks one whoever replaces the DC. The game result is fixed, nothing will change it. The goals are fixed, the injuries, assists...all pre-determined before the commentary. Make whatever changes you want...you had a DMR on and change your formation so that you dont need a DMR, but the DMR was supposed to be injured in the pre-game, so whoever you replace the DMR with will be the one that is injured, whether it is a ST or MC. The once the commentary is over, it makes the necessary changes to the personnel based on the managers changes during the commentary and the result is set in stone.

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@cracicot, I see you still playing T11 :rolleyes:

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cuz i am still winning and still interested in seeing what happens. :p

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cuz i am still winning and still interested in seeing what happens. :p

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Hah, I thought you were just fed up over T11?! But now I see that the anti T11 - agenda is still your number one concern :D

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His assumptions would be awesome for an X-Files episode. For T11 (or any other GAME), it sucks...

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It sucks for you because the possibility of pre-determination of games is not something you like to think about?

This is hardly good enough for an X-files episode. This is just a simple game engine that people think is better than it is. OR people just dont know how these things work. I think that is more like it.

I am willing to bet that if any other programmer comes in and sees this for a few seasons, he would come to the same conclusions. This is NOT a complicated game engine. IF it were, they would be as good as Football Manager.

Think about it. Forget about trashing me and my views on this for a moment and ask yourself what if I am right? I can be wrong, but I believe that I am very close to describing how this game engine works. Come up with an alternative method and show me where I am wrong. At least I am trying to explain how these things work, as I do have programming knowledge. what are you doing besides saying this is blasphemy???

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Hah, I thought you were just fed up over T11?! But now I see that the anti T11 - agenda is still your number one concern :D

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Ljepoje. I am NOT anti-T11. I am digusted at their methods to extort every manager for every penny they can take but I am not anti-T11. I like the game and will continue to play it for free, as they advertise.

What you dont understand is that I want to know more about how it works and so I can give explanations as to why all these seemingly random ****storms happen. I am not content with just taking the results as they come to me, I want to know why.

So I am not Anti-T11, I just know they can do better and make more people content with their game. when I see that they refuse to do anything to improve the game, I will start to spend my time doing other things. Until then I will try my hardest to win without spending money on tokens.

I'm not saying its blasphemy, i'm saying that the guy that posted this (in another thread):

"I won - My formation/tactics/players/hair colour was the deciding factor.

I lost - Asian ghost team/match engine/server error/opponent's shirt colour f*cked me up.

Why do I still read these forums??"

was probably closer to "the Truth" than anyone else lately...

And no im not trying to "thrash" you (or anyone else) - i'm just saying i think you are just plain wrong, wrong and wrong!
But hey - i belive what i belive, and so you do. thats our right - both of us! :)

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I'm not saying its blasphemy, i'm saying that the guy that posted this (in another thread):

"I won - My formation/tactics/players/hair colour was the deciding factor.

I lost - Asian ghost team/match engine/server error/opponent's shirt colour f*cked me up.

Why do I still read these forums??"

was probably closer to "the Truth" than anyone else lately...

And no im not trying to "thrash" you (or anyone else) - i'm just saying i think you are just plain wrong, wrong and wrong!
But hey - i belive what i belive, and so you do. thats our right - both of us! :)

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you have every right to believe what you believe, even when you are wrong. I have technical knowledge that leads me to believe that I am possibly right on this. Hey, if you are a programmer as well, tell me what is wrong with my thinking on this subject, otherwise, read up on it.

At this point, what you think is of no concern to me. I will do my best to find out how close I am to the truth. Nordeus does not want this because it takes fun away from the game and really makes the game kinda ****ty. That is why they dont release much of the instruction on how the game actually works. Go figure.

Soon we will seen in first page mulder and scully instead of Mourinho :D

do not believe this things ... :P

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do not believe this things ... :P

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The truth is out there! :rolleyes:

Keep your heads buried in the sand folks.

aha, i see what you mean now. you mean that the outcome is decided beforehand and no matter what happens during the game you play, the outcome will still happen one way or another.

Thing is though. I played a game this season against a much stronger team so I changed my tactics before the game to have attacker in goal, 0 defenders, 10 AMC/AMR/AML/ML/MC/MR and no strikers. All players in wrong position

I started the game and the other guy takes the lead 0-2 in 20 minutes. I quickly changed my tactics to a 4-4-2 narrow diamond with everyone in their correct position ---> I scored 4 goals and won 4-2.
I don't think that the game deliberately decided before the game even started that I would win 4-2 with my weaker team using an illegal formation.

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aha, i see what you mean now. you mean that the outcome is decided beforehand and no matter what happens during the game you play, the outcome will still happen one way or another.

Thing is though. I played a game this season against a much stronger team so I changed my tactics before the game to have attacker in goal, 0 defenders, 10 AMC/AMR/AML/ML/MC/MR and no strikers. All players in wrong position

I started the game and the other guy takes the lead 0-2 in 20 minutes. I quickly changed my tactics to a 4-4-2 narrow diamond with everyone in their correct position ---> I scored 4 goals and won 4-2.
I don't think that the game deliberately decided before the game even started that I would win 4-2 with my weaker team using an illegal formation.

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Illegal formations win ALL THE TIME! It is frustrating to lose when you know you should win. I
Hullabaloo, I dont make this stuff up...I see results from others who have tested this over and over and it is quite clear that there is a strong possibility that the results are computed before the commentary.

Why else would I even think of investigating this? I like a good mystery, especially when i have put my own money into it. I want to know more about what I pay for. Others are content to have it stuck to them, but not me.

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No, they simulate the game, create the commentary and the commentary program allows for changes to be made that take into account the changes you make during the game.

So for example, the game decides your 4-4-2 beats his 4-3-3 by a score of 3-1 and one of your DC gets injured during the match in the 67th minute. During the actual commentary, you sub in another DC at 60th minute, so your sub DC gets the injury. All the game engine does is say that a DC gets injured. it was supposed to be Carragher, but you subbed him before the injury was going to happen and Agger got the injury instead. So this would work with goals as well. Once the game is done, it takes into account your changes during the game and makes the proper adjustment to its pre-game simulation and BINGO! you have your final result.

It really is that easy. Much easier than anything else.

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I am thinking if the score would be the same if i make my formation to be an illegal one during the game?