You said your piece before , no need to repeat it here. From my point of view I cant work out what your going on about anyway. What Bets ? Where ? How ? However just go away.
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You said your piece before , no need to repeat it here. From my point of view I cant work out what your going on about anyway. What Bets ? Where ? How ? However just go away.
I bet your only 12 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by miloren
same subject, threads are merged.
@ miloren relax, it's just a game free to play.
No one forces the managers to spend money.
If you think that an offer is not advantageous for the players, spot on that.
If you find the continuous pop up of offers annoying, I 'm with you.
Nikolgiorgos, I don't want to start a debate about our freedom to get the disease of gambling addiction. And I find it very difficult to relax when I live this cancer of families destroyed daily in my neighborhood. It is much simpler: if Nordeus continues on this, is part of this social problem, if stops, not. And yes, the pop up of offers is annoying too.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
You are free to stop playing this game if something annoys you that is your choice. Some people choose to gamble and that is their choice. I dislike people telling me I cant do something because they dont like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by miloren
Relax... his initial message was addressed to Nordeus to stop the betting thing and not to users to stop the bets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelpie Grant
Thanks Tactician, I thought it was quite obvious. There are currently many establishments, applications, etc. making money on the betting business, and you can also bet without using that, many people have done it, do it and surely will, they are free to do what they want with their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
Customers of a bakery for example can bet which one sill get the loaf of bread more or less toasted, but it would be terrible if the bakery itself organized bets among customers to make more cash. I would certainly change bakery.
This is a soccer game and I entered what the description says: make my team great by playing with people like me. If he is also dedicated to organizing bets, I go, nothing happens.
That is exactly what the thread was opened for. Not because he wanted people to stop gambling, he wanted Nordeus to stop these bets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
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Since some while it is quit evident what are the intentions of Nordeus, what direction they have gone, still going and will tend to go. They seem to be putting all sorts of things and making changes to get even more money out of users without making the game better upto the point of using dirty ways and scams. Who asked for on fire status, for a betting feature, for double special ability aged players and so on here? Probably no one. The latest one which is the so-called upto 100% of tokens spent on auctions returned back is another example; it is not a sale nor a proper deal for Black Friday as such but more like a feature for the gain of the house that can be compared to scratch cards or bonus rounds of video slots or those offers by online casinos which give free spins after having spent X amount or a percent of total bidding money back in attempt to trap users and make money.
Like you said people went into the bakery for buying bread but they getting offers for betting there to win more loaves of bread, but worst for the case of Nordeus is that the bakery's bread, cakes and other products require improvement and have been made known many many times by their customers but they have not improved in those areas at all but instead keep introducing new things to profit from people's other weaknesses that only annoy people more.
People need be wise and avoid those traps, but at some point, it is upto them to stop supporting such companies and their bad acts especially in the case of the one we have here where it seems they will not change for the better but instead will go more into the wrong direction.
I have seen enough of the bad sides of this company and also their game. Nordeus simply cannot be trusted.
Ok, but even if he is, he is still free to use the forum like the rest of us right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelpie Grant
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I will buy tokens when I want to buy tokens! If then offer is fair i buy in...even if it looks like wagering! But the offers/wagers are usually in Nordeus's best interests. The best deals are in the stores! The offers/wagers aren't very good so I don't buy in. They (Nordeus) should stick to making the game better and not so consistently inconsistent.
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Stop betting, you shall lose. :-)))Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelpie Grant
I agree with you Tactician and other comments, since I have been playing I have not seen any offer in the game that has not been brazen and pathetically oriented to profit by deceiving players who can cheat. Sorry, except for the negotiations directly between players, this was good, I guess that's why they relegated on the last week, losing all his usefulness. Every new offer or event from Nordeus awakens an ironic smile in each of us.
But that is almost fun ... it is a company and wants our money, like all, you just have to be forewarned, very well-advised, face this greed makes us stronger ... But betting is something else, it is a very long step, an indecent step and in my case the ironic smile turns into a grimace of disgust. Cos every time I see one of those popups I see what the betting business is doing in our neighborhoods. Whow far does Nordeus want to go? It won't be with me
The players who entered topeleven to make our team great by playing with people like us, now, thanks to Nordeus, also have the possibility of ruining ourselves in gambling addiction, the business that destroys our families and our neighborhoods.
Based on this, we cannot rule out that we can soon get other equal or even more disgusting opportunities, such as animal porn or live beheadings, as long as Nordeus understands that he can get money out of it.
Bets out of top eleven
FFS just go away , you have made your point several times.
yep, thread is closed
As a new post of the thread same named and closed, in my opinion, prematurely, I add that I found very strange that Top Eleven bets where based on official country league matches. I have been consulting a bit and I'm afraid that Nordeus cannot do it, at least in my country, Spain, because does not appear in the list of authorized operators to arrange this bets online.
However, I could be wrong, I’m not an expert, and this bets could not be illegal, even though they are always, in my opinion, immoral. That’s why I summon a person on charge of Nordeus to explain this, if he wishes, in this same thread, just to remove all suspicion, just before confirm or not by myself and in case of yes denounce; the procedure is easy in most countries because for administrations is a must to protect users from alleged scammers especially if they’re making money by a plague for the working class such as betting addiction.
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-business.html
Miloren is right: these bets on official national league or UEFA league games are illegal. Nordeus should be fined for this.
Yeah he is right, Nik closed the thread a few minutes after it was opened, I do agree with him closing it though, the point by was made several times, but I agree with what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guido van den Berg
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I closed that thread and merged this one because @miloren is posting the same thread again and again.
The forum gives you the freedom of saying what you want but you should respect this and the rules.
Someone who wants to keep his point, can go back to his own thread, make a new post and the thread will come up in the surface again.
It's not rocket science.
You forgot to merge the last thread that you closed. I opened that thread, with another title, because I considered it appropriate to give a new read on the problem of the bets, by suspecting it was nor just immoral and subjective but illegal and totally objective. Close the thread before knowing better about something then I only suspected -something that every player can do- forced me to open another to expose this new information. Therefore, I’m not posting “the same thread again and again”, although some phrases logically resemble each other trying myself to express basically the same idea about the betting business when I see the bet pop-ups again and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Due to this I don’t understand what disrespectful I commit or what rule I violate. Quite the contrary, in this same thread you can see at least one lack of respect for me, which is not answered by me as it deserves out of respect for other users and in which nobody makes any call to respect. Nor seem precisely you’re showing respect for me, exaggerating my way of acting, and with that supposedly derogatory final comment. I suppose it’s a price I have to pay to achieve my objective of kick the bets, legal or illegal, out of the game.
Peace, calm and mutual respect.
Thanks to Guido and Max for confirming my suspicions. I just want to see the bets out of topeleven, and I really don't care if they refer to official or imaginary league games. But for Nordeus it is not the same, he earns more money if the bets refer to official league matches that users know. However, in the absence of explanations as I requested, we're right and Nordeus cannot arrange this bets, with real league matches, without paying the corresponding fee to enter that disgusting business, or he will be fined as he deserves for making illegal bets on his greed.
all your old , present (and future :rolleyes:) threads about betting are merged now.Quote:
You forgot to merge the last thread that you closed.
They are aware of this.Quote:
Nordeus cannot arrange this bets, with real league matches, without paying the corresponding fee
The last bet (for Greek users) was for Tottenham-Olympiakos but it was saying smthing like Team from London in white vs Team in red :o
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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Thanks champ, I am afraid they will not get rid, this old dog has already received many sticks and did not forget to make screenshots in time of the "Ath.Bilbao .vs. Eibar,"... OMG what did I say, sorry, I meant "White-Red Basques .vs. Blue-Red Basques" hahaha
Those bets on matches that cheat in their description but refers to official european matches are the same or even more denouncible, it will be enough to include the screenshot by nordeus and another one to the real match from any place so that the connection can be seen clearly.
In my report to the game authorities I have also included one like that, in addition to the blatantly official one. I encourage u all to do the same in all countries, is easy and cost nothing, it will grow the amount of the fine.
During the time in which Nordeus performs the maintenance you cannot make matches of the event, but you can make bets, because taking your money is the priority of Nordeus
Don't buy tokens, don't bet and don't break our balls.
ffs
It seems that the bets are over, at least in Spain, excellent news for the game. I have not received the official confirm of my complaint to the gaming authority, but the fact that there were no bets throughout January confirm I was correct and the bets were illegal.
Please can you confirm from other countries?
@miloren
With this topic, it is more than understandable that you are looking for a change for good to discourage the betting nature of offers available. Definitely a positive attitude.
However, this is just a really minor feature of an individual buy-in feature of a game. Gamers mostly make the decision to purchase buy-ins only if they like the game itself and very rarely would anyone would go and search, download and then play in a particular game to buy-in that specific offer to gamble. There is a very distinctive difference in nature from the actual betting or gambling that could involve hundreds or even thousands. The chance of a gamer purchasing a USD $1 (or equivalent in local currency) buy-in to turn into a gambling addict is so minuscule and unreal.
If you really do want to make a sustainable and impactful change for the good of the society with your effort, maybe directing your effort in taking on the actual gambling companies and/or helping the current gambling addicts would be a lot more useful and long-lasting. To be frank, the real issue is not the insignificant buy-in of a football management game but the influence of betting companies on sports with all the sponsors headlines.
You are right with your points, yes he is trying to do some good, but try take down those betting companies, or never mind that since they would have good lawyers and you would have to fork out a ton of money for a court case.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
Oh well, that was a bit off topic but besides the point, I am glad there are no more betting offers simply because they were annoying as they popped up every time I logged into the game.
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I do not like betting and less the companies in that business, but as some colleagues in the forum have said quite badly it is very easy for me to avoid it: not to enter those sites or ever bet, That's what I do. It is our states, and the united consumer associations of our countries, etc., that have to ensure that this business does not poison people, as the UK government, that I have read, for example, is going to ban card credits for betting. Individual work here serves little or nothing.
It would not make any sense, on the other hand, to enter a betting house, perfectly announced as such, and with permission to place bets under the rules set by the state, and as a messiah start telling people they should stop betting because they are going to ruin. Rather it would be stupid, because in this case this people, quite rightly, would tell me that if I don't want to bet I can go out from there, buy me a life and leave them alone.
Because what seems to be not understood regarding the bets in this game is what I have already mentioned on many occasions: we do not come here to bet, it is a football game. As Max says, I don't see it off-topic, the best thing is the end of those annoying pop-ups my friends. U don't have to thank me, I enjoyed it
miloren, i'm 100% with you as far as betting is concerned, its defenetly a problem.
What i can not agree in this case or any other is that we force our moral standards on the other, as noble as they may be, insted of that try to show your point much as you are doing on this last post.
Maybe you misunderstood me, nuno, precisely meant that I do not want to force everyone's morale. I just want to enter here to play soccer, as the game's advertising says, no betting.
My first demand had errors and I have had to redo it. By accepting it in my country, as they already notified me, they won't tell me how it ends, but it must have been successful because I have a streak of unfairly impressive games lost haha I don't care, first is my dignity