Free to play is pointless. Top 11 cares only about money

I am a high level player that used to buy tokens and be very active but its like the money spent hoping the game gets better has only lead to a terrible game engine, transfer policies without consistent regulations and refusal to make the access of tokens available by recycling free token options. The negotiation window being switched is still pointless and training players has become a gamble. Why is there not a token cap or some sort of transfer structure other than people just outbidding those with little to no tokens to improve their team. This is making the experience so terrible and I have been playing for years
National teams need to make a comeback. The ground option needs to be revamped because it's a pointless feature after being valuable years ago. The youth academy is a waste of time and helps nothing. Losing 20% of your quality is terrible because no matter how hard you train it is never possible to regain the lost percentage due to factors of an individual player especially their age. This game has catered to those that throw money to solve problems meanwhile creating a less enjoyable game for those that try to do it without spending as much, train and try to build organically is impossible now. I would not mind spending if it was worth it but the game on the whole especially associations has failed.

feeling sorry as you are not enjoying it anymore like before.

I'm not a high level (only level 8 atm) but % decrease is symbolic afaik.

a player at manager level 2 having 100% passing = 100+20*(2-1)= 120/4 = 30 quality (of passing).
a player at manager level 3 having 80% passing = 80+20*(3-1) = 120/4 = 30 quality (of passing). it's same and the only difference is the % is showing as 80 instead of 100 like previous season (afaik).

(somewhere I've seen this formula).

and I don't think token cap will be a justified option. sorry.

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Originally Posted by EdgecombeFC

I am a high level player that used to buy tokens and be very active but its like the money spent hoping the game gets better has only lead to a terrible game engine, transfer policies without consistent regulations and refusal to make the access of tokens available by recycling free token options. The negotiation window being switched is still pointless and training players has become a gamble. Why is there not a token cap or some sort of transfer structure other than people just outbidding those with little to no tokens to improve their team. This is making the experience so terrible and I have been playing for years
National teams need to make a comeback. The ground option needs to be revamped because it's a pointless feature after being valuable years ago. The youth academy is a waste of time and helps nothing. Losing 20% of your quality is terrible because no matter how hard you train it is never possible to regain the lost percentage due to factors of an individual player especially their age. This game has catered to those that throw money to solve problems meanwhile creating a less enjoyable game for those that try to do it without spending as much, train and try to build organically is impossible now. I would not mind spending if it was worth it but the game on the whole especially associations has failed.

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Originally Posted by Max McClean

I know how that feels, I should have won 10 Champions Leagues in 23 seasons and have a runner up medal, I should have had 52 titles in 23 seasons, not 24, mainly due to trolls, I should have had.

17 League Titles (5x Runner Up)
11 Champions League Titles (1x Runner Up)
3 Super League Trophies.
14 Cup Trophies (2x Runner Up)
7x Super Cup Winner (1x Runner Up)

I should have played 1007 Won 917 Drew 46 Lost 44.

Scored: 4572
Conceded: 437

(These are estimated.)

Not 805 wins out of 946 out of all my stints.





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Max.
WTF does any of this have to do with the thread?

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Originally Posted by Altiplano

Max.
What does any of this have to do with the thread?

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I deleted it thanks for this,

I got completely carried away, I don’t know what I was thinking as I was thinking of another old thread from ages ago.

Oh well that is gone now.




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Originally Posted by EdgecombeFC

I am a high level player that used to buy tokens and be very active but its like the money spent hoping the game gets better has only lead to a terrible game engine, transfer policies without consistent regulations and refusal to make the access of tokens available by recycling free token options. The negotiation window being switched is still pointless and training players has become a gamble. Why is there not a token cap or some sort of transfer structure other than people just outbidding those with little to no tokens to improve their team. This is making the experience so terrible and I have been playing for years
National teams need to make a comeback. The ground option needs to be revamped because it's a pointless feature after being valuable years ago. The youth academy is a waste of time and helps nothing. Losing 20% of your quality is terrible because no matter how hard you train it is never possible to regain the lost percentage due to factors of an individual player especially their age. This game has catered to those that throw money to solve problems meanwhile creating a less enjoyable game for those that try to do it without spending as much, train and try to build organically is impossible now. I would not mind spending if it was worth it but the game on the whole especially associations has failed.

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You are right, you said you bought tokens in the hope it would make the game better for you, well that certainly wasn’t the case with what you said, the game engine I feel is designed to make you pay more, so if you are not doing well you might just think “maybe one more time” and yet that doesn’t work.

For the free token options, I agree with you there, there should be some option to make it easier to get free tokens, it is a pain trying to going through countless surveys and eventually going through all that hassle for six tokens.

Apparently the youth academy increases your chance of getting grouped with really high quality teams if you have high quality YA players.

I think the 20% quality drop is harsh because since I have never spent a dime on the game, it takes me the entire season to recover my team quality, and that cycle repeats over and over again, I think something should be changed.


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Originally Posted by EdgecombeFC

I am a high level player that used to buy tokens and be very active but its like the money spent hoping the game gets better has only lead to a terrible game engine, transfer policies without consistent regulations and refusal to make the access of tokens available by recycling free token options. The negotiation window being switched is still pointless and training players has become a gamble. Why is there not a token cap or some sort of transfer structure other than people just outbidding those with little to no tokens to improve their team. This is making the experience so terrible and I have been playing for years
National teams need to make a comeback. The ground option needs to be revamped because it's a pointless feature after being valuable years ago. The youth academy is a waste of time and helps nothing. Losing 20% of your quality is terrible because no matter how hard you train it is never possible to regain the lost percentage due to factors of an individual player especially their age. This game has catered to those that throw money to solve problems meanwhile creating a less enjoyable game for those that try to do it without spending as much, train and try to build organically is impossible now. I would not mind spending if it was worth it but the game on the whole especially associations has failed.

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Sorry to hear that.....

I never bought any tokens or spent real money

But if you focus andnot try to get your team as high in percents as possible.
Just keep it ay the end of the season atound between 90 and 100% , your draw will be not so bad.
And you are anle to play fot all the titles

some time ago i maked a thread that suggest different kind of percentage loos, you can guess is it aplied.
However, in short, i was going with this that players ages 18-21 dont loose anything at end of season but cant train max skill power higher than 10% per season, 22-24 loose 10%, 25-28 loose 20% and 29 and above loose 25% that will follow natural grove and development of players and allow us to spend more time to train youth players that will stay in team for longer

If you know how the game works, you don't need to spend a penny. This requires knowledge and play at least 6 months.

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Originally Posted by khris

If you know how the game works, you don't need to spend a penny. This requires knowledge and play at least 6 months.

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That is true, this is nothing special but I figured out how to use my tests accordingly, with the training sessions and the condition booster to save rests, I use to use them all the day before the match to give my team the full boost, which I know now is stupid (but what did I know? I was a newbie:

Now, would calculate how much condition would be gained between now and my next match and then, if I the players were not at 99% by then, I would use some rests to finish the job. This would save me so many rests during the season, this is a method I would have used to store my resources.

I have pretty much looked at everything in the game to use the least amount of resources as possible while still winning the big trophies and having a good squad.

I learnt some things of the forum but learned the rest at my own pace.

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There are many ways to play this game for own enjoyment.

Some prefer it to be more relaxing, so would tank every other season for CL & Cup, then also league for the following. Practically using 2 seasons’ resources to spend in 1, so more likely to be ‘easier’.

Some may want to save time by buying a monthly card, so can buy a scout player and also get auction players with more T with less time.

And a lot could be paying nothing at all, while trying to learn how to build a decent squad gradually over the first 4-5 seasons (lots of hard work and time on auctions initially when fund is tight), and learn how to manipulate the draw to an ‘adjusted’ level where we could: 1) win all the trophies; 2) successfully involved in a platinum association; 3) maybe also establish some proud unbeaten and goalscoring records along the way.

Top eleven is still around after years and not many other very similar alternative could overtake its position, so they should be doing something right to draw in the players and also making enough money from a minority group of players. It is very true that the game should be so, so much better if it takes in most of the useful suggestions, but then it would also be an unknown if Nordeus can also make the same business returns when they make those changes.

No offense guys but

The thread starter is someone high level and been a forum member since 2016 and he got some likes from other fellow high level players for the post.

I am sure they know of how to manipulate and have spent many successful seasons in platinum.

I have had some high level ex association mates who say the same thing. Manipulation no longer benefits them and rewards of platinum no longer covers the cost to be competitive. Greens are used in thousands at a go. Seldom get promoted so everyone is high quality and scouts are only good enough for the bench. Setting or breaking any records at that Level is probably impossible. Many just give up.

Imagine if you are stuck playing the likes of Eric Tosou or Lakis over and over again for your whole TE life. Lol. I would also think i need to spend money to win especially with the negotiation changes. We cant benefit much from our token feeder accounts.

Anyway it’s subjective and all about expectations. Some players are happy with 2 trophies a season. Some get disappointed with anything less than 4. If they dont revamp how it is at high levels, only the spenders or less competitive players will remain. I think even having multiple accounts playing in the same league and feeding tokens to main team might not help much.

I have 3 teams from level 15 to 34 so been playing a while ,somewhat successful but always competitive. Rarely have I tried to manipulate the draw and never considered tanking. Occasionally I will purchase a monthly card for one team or another ,usually after a spending spree and really just to top up funds so no large actual money investment , perhaps $ 40-50 over 3 years. My Asso which has all 3 teams in is Platinum so +100 tokens each season these days.
Last season my teams rated at season start anywhere between 11 and 14th with up to 10 active managers which was a real shock ,usually rated in top 4-6 with maybe 4-6 active managers. 2 of my teams finished League champions and the other finished 9th but made both Cup and CL semi finals. So I decide why not try to manipulate draw , I read up about it and present my teams at 75% for this season. What happens ..........no effect all 3 teams are again rated bottom 4 with top sides around 115 -125% ,many active managers as well. The 2 teams qualified for CL are facing groups with the 3 other sides at +1 level and 2 out of 3 are already out of the Cup having run into 120% teams straight up. What can I do this season.....................damn it ,the game is forcing me to tank ,I dont want to but its tank or spend ridiculous amounts of coin to try to be competitive.

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Originally Posted by Kelpie Grant

I have 3 teams from level 15 to 34 so been playing a while ,somewhat successful but always competitive. Rarely have I tried to manipulate the draw and never considered tanking. Occasionally I will purchase a monthly card for one team or another ,usually after a spending spree and really just to top up funds so no large actual money investment , perhaps $ 40-50 over 3 years. My Asso which has all 3 teams in is Platinum so +100 tokens each season these days.
Last season my teams rated at season start anywhere between 11 and 14th with up to 10 active managers which was a real shock ,usually rated in top 4-6 with maybe 4-6 active managers. 2 of my teams finished League champions and the other finished 9th but made both Cup and CL semi finals. So I decide why not try to manipulate draw , I read up about it and present my teams at 75% for this season. What happens ..........no effect all 3 teams are again rated bottom 4 with top sides around 115 -125% ,many active managers as well. The 2 teams qualified for CL are facing groups with the 3 other sides at +1 level and 2 out of 3 are already out of the Cup having run into 120% teams straight up. What can I do this season.....................damn it ,the game is forcing me to tank ,I dont want to but its tank or spend ridiculous amounts of coin to try to be competitive.

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What does 75% this season means? 95% at the end of the previous level?
Did you had academy players? If so, you should know they count for the draw in the next season, that s why i stopped signing them because it made my lvl harder, but had the same result.
So the question is this: Why shouldn t i manipulate the season if without the manipulation i would have the same result? Statistics of my team would suffer and i would need to watch all my games otherwise i might get eliminated, so i take it very easy.
I also have a lvl 3 account which achieved the treble( super cup shouldn t be a trophy) with a 88-89 rated team.
I have kept 4 of my main team players, sold the rest, kept the 2 academy graduates cause i need the cash, and i m not even watching games on that account and winning left and right.
Whoever says manipulation is cheating is their problem, i don t have time to watch the ads and games on all my accounts and yet i can still win the trophies some very good teams can t in a season. So why should i bother playing +1 CL teams and very good cup opponents?

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Originally Posted by Kelpie Grant

I have 3 teams from level 15 to 34 so been playing a while ,somewhat successful but always competitive. Rarely have I tried to manipulate the draw and never considered tanking. Occasionally I will purchase a monthly card for one team or another ,usually after a spending spree and really just to top up funds so no large actual money investment , perhaps $ 40-50 over 3 years. My Asso which has all 3 teams in is Platinum so +100 tokens each season these days.
Last season my teams rated at season start anywhere between 11 and 14th with up to 10 active managers which was a real shock ,usually rated in top 4-6 with maybe 4-6 active managers. 2 of my teams finished League champions and the other finished 9th but made both Cup and CL semi finals. So I decide why not try to manipulate draw , I read up about it and present my teams at 75% for this season. What happens ..........no effect all 3 teams are again rated bottom 4 with top sides around 115 -125% ,many active managers as well. The 2 teams qualified for CL are facing groups with the 3 other sides at +1 level and 2 out of 3 are already out of the Cup having run into 120% teams straight up. What can I do this season.....................damn it ,the game is forcing me to tank ,I dont want to but its tank or spend ridiculous amounts of coin to try to be competitive.

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Level 15 to 34 should still benefit from manipulation. You might have not done it correctly since it's your first time.
75 Vs 125 is too big a gap. Best 14 players include out of contract players, old guys the system generates due to out of contract players as well as academy players. Did any of those categories affect your draw?

Also are those high quality players your friends? If not, are they friends of your friends? I remove all friends on my level and up to 2 levels above me just to be safe but that's just me being paranoid.