Manipulating association draws and games?

So, I came across something interesting by accident today. I played a friendly game with my reserves (1% team) yesterday. I didn't substitute my starting eleven until the association draw today. I'm the strongest team in our association, so usually I'm drawn against the strongest team in the opposition association. To my surprise, I was drawn against the weakest team today. I visited our association and noticed that we lost a star. So I visited the other member's teams and nothing had changed. Took a look at my team and noticed that the reserves were still in the line up. I substituted my reserves for my starting eleven and our association gained a star again.

Was I drawn against the weakest team in the opposition association because my reserves were in the starting eleven? Is it possible to manipulate draws against teams this way? I've suspected this before but didn't know why I was drawn against weaker teams, but now it happened again. Is it possible to manipulate draws against whole associations this way as well? The fact that our association lost a star and regained it after I made the substitution makes me think it's this way.

Are individual games withing associations and draws against other associations based on your whole squad or starting eleven and subs? Thoughts/experiences?

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Interesting. On the other hand, it could be a very selfish tactic (not saying in your case, saying that could be used as very selfish) because if you, with the strongest team get drawn the weakest, is gonna be very easy to you, ok, +6 points, but a weaker team in your assoc is going to draw an stronger one, it could be a -6 there then.

In any case, is a very interesting catch. As you said, maybe can be used if works at the assoc level too and get a weaker assoc altogether. Then yeah, that is very helpful!

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Originally Posted by rodalopin

Interesting. On the other hand, it could be a very selfish tactic (not saying in your case, saying that could be used as very selfish) because if you, with the strongest team get drawn the weakest, is gonna be very easy to you, ok, +6 points, but a weaker team in your assoc is going to draw an stronger one, it could be a -6 there then.

In any case, is a very interesting catch. As you said, maybe can be used if works at the assoc level too and get a weaker assoc altogether. Then yeah, that is very helpful!

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Exactly. I'm more interested in it on an association level.

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In my experience that doesn't work as association takes the best players into consideration like league draw at the beginning of the season. (I think its top 11 not top 14 for asso draw though)

But association draw is completely f'ed up in this game. Last weekend for example we won both duels with 36-0 and all other associations were 20-30% weaker on average, compared to our team. And yes we play in platinum league and we are about a lower 7 star association. So we played one high 5 star association and a low 6 star.
The weekend before 2 of the opponent associations were over 10% stronger on average than our asso, so high 7 star associations. How can this be so different? I absolutely don't understand these draws. One week you are gifted points and it is completely unfair bs for other assos, the next weekend you get insanely tough matchups.
This weekend seems quite fine regarding % but the opponent association did the thing you did and the single matchups are not fun because of this. I hate this as well. Association for me is the worst game mode, it is completely random and it depends so heavily on the draw. I only play it for the 100T every season...

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

In my experience that doesn't work as association takes the best players into consideration like league draw at the beginning of the season. (I think its top 11 not top 14 for asso draw though)

But association draw is completely f'ed up in this game. Last weekend for example we won both duels with 36-0 and all other associations were 20-30% weaker on average, compared to our team. And yes we play in platinum league and we are about a lower 7 star association. So we played one high 5 star association and a low 6 star.
The weekend before 2 of the opponent associations were over 10% stronger on average than our asso, so high 7 star associations. How can this be so different? I absolutely don't understand these draws. One week you are gifted points and it is completely unfair bs for other assos, the next weekend you get insanely tough matchups.
This weekend seems quite fine regarding % but the opponent association did the thing you did and the single matchups are not fun because of this. I hate this as well. Association for me is the worst game mode, it is completely random and it depends so heavily on the draw. I only play it for the 100T every season...

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Thanks for your input. If this is not the case on an asso level, then why did our association have one less star when I had my reserves in the starting eleven but immediately gained a star once I put in my strongest team? All members in our asso are not active and I'm not the captain so I can't demand some trial and errors. But if someone can, they should ask of all their asso members to put in their worst players in the starting eleven and as subs on Thursday to lower the quality and see what happens when the draws are set on Friday.

For the record, this is in platinum as well.

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Originally Posted by Arphaxad

Thanks for your input. If this is not the case on an asso level, then why did our association have one less star when I had my reserves in the starting eleven but immediately gained a star once I put in my strongest team? All members in our asso are not active and I'm not the captain so I can't demand some trial and errors. But if someone can, they should ask of all their asso members to put in their worst players in the starting eleven and as subs on Thursday to lower the quality and see what happens when the draws are set on Friday.

For the record, this is in platinum as well.

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Yeah but this doesn't work. Our opponents did this like I said this week. When draw was made they were displayed as a 4 star association to us, all but 1 had their bench in the starting lineup. Still they have drawn us as a 7 star association for opponent and we didn't do this kind of stuff, and when it comes to best possible lineup it is quite balanced.
The only thing they achieved is screwing up the single matches, now our strongest plays their 2nd weakest and so on. So essentially it now is up to 2 or 3 narrow matchups and a surprise, instead of all 6 games being thrilling... Imo not worth to do.

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

Yeah but this doesn't work. Our opponents did this like I said this week. When draw was made they were displayed as a 4 star association to us, all but 1 had their bench in the starting lineup. Still they have drawn us as a 7 star association for opponent and we didn't do this kind of stuff, and when it comes to best possible lineup it is quite balanced.
The only thing they achieved is screwing up the single matches, now our strongest plays their 2nd weakest and so on. So essentially it now is up to 2 or 3 narrow matchups and a surprise, instead of all 6 games being thrilling... Imo not worth to do.

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Missed that part. Thanks, I guess that concludes it somewhat then. Agree with you, not worth it messing up single match ups. It happened to me by accident now and thought I was on to something. Apparently not, lol.

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I was liking the theory of the conspirancy...

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...now I am just dissapointed.

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

Yeah but this doesn't work. Our opponents did this like I said this week. When draw was made they were displayed as a 4 star association to us, all but 1 had their bench in the starting lineup. Still they have drawn us as a 7 star association for opponent and we didn't do this kind of stuff, and when it comes to best possible lineup it is quite balanced.
The only thing they achieved is screwing up the single matches, now our strongest plays their 2nd weakest and so on. So essentially it now is up to 2 or 3 narrow matchups and a surprise, instead of all 6 games being thrilling... Imo not worth to do.

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Sadly the draw is so tough for my association this weekend that we will probably lose 36-0 on both days if we don't manipulate the match ups for the finals. I think it's gonna be a tokenless month for me. We only need 25 points to stay in platinum but it doesn't look possible.

Same thing happened to me I put a young team out to get the 10 goals in special sponser, asso draw was made and I got drawn against weakest team, even if you change your team back to your 1st choice there is a delay by about a hour before you regain your star in association

There's a method to the madness. There's a reason the best associations in the world are 3 stars or less. I would say more but last time I indulged in the theory behind this, I got banned.

Association draw depends on current team %
So if you put weakest % team in your association, you will face the opponent's weakest team

Not always good though, especially if you are stronger team and you face weak team, then it's more difficult for your association

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Originally Posted by WonderWander_YT

Association draw depends on current team %
So if you put weakest % team in your association, you will face the opponent's weakest team

Not always good though, especially if you are stronger team and you face weak team, then it's more difficult for your association

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Valid point. But this can be countered if everyone gives their bonuses to the player facing the strongest team.

This has been known for awhile and it works well if applied correctly on Thursdays' draw.

As an association, if you know/feel your two top teams will win their games and the 4 lower teams will have 50/50 games. Why not ask the middle tier teams (#3 and #4) to keep their B team on the starting line so you have the best shot at winning 4 games? (And dump 2 games as losses from the start)

Same plan works for the final draw on Saturday if the other semi runs longer than yours and will do a little research during their semi to align your members for the best attack vector in the final. The final draw happens after the last semi where their percentages are "trapped".

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Originally Posted by Batistuta9

Valid point. But this can be countered if everyone gives their bonuses to the player facing the strongest team.

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Both sides have the same option to apply bonuses where they see a difference that could be made. But if you stack the deck ahead of applying bonuses, you are ahead of the curve.

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Originally Posted by Arphaxad

So, I came across something interesting by accident today. I played a friendly game with my reserves (1% team) yesterday. I didn't substitute my starting eleven until the association draw today. I'm the strongest team in our association, so usually I'm drawn against the strongest team in the opposition association. To my surprise, I was drawn against the weakest team today. I visited our association and noticed that we lost a star. So I visited the other member's teams and nothing had changed. Took a look at my team and noticed that the reserves were still in the line up. I substituted my reserves for my starting eleven and our association gained a star again.

Was I drawn against the weakest team in the opposition association because my reserves were in the starting eleven? Is it possible to manipulate draws against teams this way? I've suspected this before but didn't know why I was drawn against weaker teams, but now it happened again. Is it possible to manipulate draws against whole associations this way as well? The fact that our association lost a star and regained it after I made the substitution makes me think it's this way.

Are individual games withing associations and draws against other associations based on your whole squad or starting eleven and subs? Thoughts/experiences?

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Just bummed you team mates over, that's all. The draw is based on your 14best players, whilst the order of play (1-6) is based on the present starting 11 you have, but it has already considered your beat team for matchmaking, so no benefit to anyone, other than your personal draw. It just gives team mates a harder job.

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