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It is pretty obvious that even completing both ‘buy player(s)’ tasks cannot reach the final 20th mark, despite having completed every single non T-costing task (with considerable ease with some great helping hand from reserve players :p)
Final achievement is not an achievement at all when the final picture looks like this. Unless paying lots of unnecessary T is an achievement... ;)
Well, 12T into the bank is way better than a pay-to-win logo. ;):rolleyes::cool:
If you complete special sponsor with your alternate account, you main account gets a free 7 star player. Also we have a free premium special sponsor among the referral completion rewards for stadium. The 20 percent faster condition recovery is probably worthwhile if completed early in the season for premium sponsor customers.
Wow! Thanks a lot for the heads-up! Great info about stadium completion for free premium. My level-4 main account is still upgrading its stadium to level 7, so surely it will be at least some 6-7 seasons before the main account gets that (and probably will still wait for a few seasons for some really good premium rewards, say a really needed 18yo player with 2 good SAs at the right position needed, hence justifying putting Ts to boost it enough for the 20%+ recovery, plus a very useful premium-only first SA for another FT, to finally claim it). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
Extra 20% condition recovery would be a nice take when the team is very young for extra quality increase; or else it is like saving some 20-30 greens for tightly-timed matches.
Yes, I’ve got the free 7* player one unlocked too - Will keep that for a few seasons until when I need to replace both first-choice MC & DC - a position is particularly vulnerable even with a well-trained 18yo FT in his first season, so would be ideal to have a competent 7* backup for that 1 season (so claiming that on day 1 be at worst getting a decent backup ST). [At least ST, MC or DC is a genuinely decent reward - would hate it if it’s a random. Lol!]
I have claimed mostly those Ts ones only, and a few on-fire boosters for the earlier KoK event’s last minute deciders for a full-team of on-fire status with the fire-starter event. How about you? :)
The 6 star youth player was doable this time with the premium youth player reward from Level 17 + the x7 free coach from Level 12.
I agree. In my view the Special Sponsor needs a bit more thought. For example, I would like to see upcoming tasks albeit greyed out until activated so then I can plan ahead. I am therefore more likely to utilise those tasks. The transfer ones need to be earlier as most people are buying players in the first week.
the transfer ones like many others are put on later on purpose dave to make nordeus more money (token spend). in the past they have put up challenges 2 days after an event starts saying win 3 games and another saying score 10 goals in the event when many managers have alreasy been eliminated or won the event so can no longer complete the tasks. the worst one is train 5 ST lol. anyone who has 5 x ST in his squad is a crap manager lol. who the heck has 5 St's ? of course nordeus do it to make you spend tokens in the auction and guess what ? you find 6 managers bidding for a 40% ST lmao. the nordeus money making machine goes on !Quote:
Originally Posted by dave1311
you benefit more from not completing the tasks than the crap rewards for god's sake
The best thing is that you dont even need to see what you need to do in these tasks - anyway you complete half of them.
Yes, of course Nordeus would try their best to make T-income with their given tasks when they have offered a relatively generous set of rewards via this comparatively ‘cheap’ special sponsor buy-in - it is fairly easy to compare the add-on cost of this vs other T &/ pack offers they try to sell us.Quote:
Originally Posted by minamino
It is up to managers being smart and trying to be economical with buy what they need and then also help completing these tasks. Eg. It is a lot easier to maintain team player bonus with some extra reserve players (to minimise the conditions drain on our first team), so we could buy a few cheap 40-60% sole-role or multi-flank role players depending on our need (to either complete role task, SA task or help better in short run on mixing & matching on training tpb with other roles) - those spending more than 1T on a 40% ST are just managers who does not have a long-term cost outlay plan, or maybe their circumstances force them to buy the player and do the task ASAP (eg. They only have 1 squad position left to fill with a necessary sub, but also need to complete task earlier for certain reward like additional 2nd SA early for important match). There are more than enough of those 40%+ players for managers to buy at 1T, in general.
Personally, I run a full reserve squad with every central position having 49/50 ready for next task, so when they actually learn the role, they will further help tpb training by covering another additional line of roles, if that makes sense. Total 10T for 10 full seasons of tasks when properly planned, and that cost is justified with tpb being done as well as helping my team to gain as much training experience for levelling up drills (and later playing friendlies to earn greens when drills are maxed). A good first team with 2 possible players position playing 2 STs with 1 on bench is not bad a option (vs teams who like to play minimum number of DCs and move up all defenders to wing-back positions to attack flanks), and having 2 reserve players out of 10 having ST roles to help tpb training on attack is not excessive either when sooner or later there would be tasks requiring ST role to be completed (best by an existing reserve AMC, to learn both ST & MC, then SA)
That sounds fairly great for managers buying in special sponsor premium in gaining the final extra 20% conditions recovery as long as they buy another 20yo 80%+ player. The rest set of tasks are not difficult at all, assuming a manager has a key 8* attacker, an existing player close to 6* or a new young 85%+ player bought in week 1, and some reserve players who have got their role & SA 49/50 training done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
Very much looking forward to my 2nd account getting it stadium done for the free premium for all those extras. :cool:
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Originally Posted by minamino
Hi, there! Greetings from a crap manager!
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yes indeed for level 74 (or 74,seasons) you are a crap manager. only 60 trophies, less than 1 per season. sell those strikers lol. longest winning streak 23 from 3,700 games ??? ? LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by Blok 45
i'm level 24 and 57 trophies.
YOU DID OPEN YOUR MOUTH lol
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I am level 68 / season 90. I lived the years when you had to save the tokens of two seasons to buy a scout player. When it was not raining tokens, greens and 7* players everywhere. No special events, no associations, no extra competitions.When, for every bid in the transfer market, you were losing a token forever. When playing from the pc didn't give you free greens everyday (and it continues to be like this).Quote:
Originally Posted by minamino
When you talk about other managers, think that the game didn't start the day that you joined.
This post is just sad...i m speechless.Quote:
Originally Posted by minamino
At position 18 they must write "a new DMC grandpa 24-26y.o." for 5-6 days quality player, unless you pay at the beginning, or be a tanker next season;)
For real, why people still complaining player from nordeus prize? they always S** , only pumping your overall % and play bad unless nordeus change the game engine they will always be a bad player to have...
well for me they are cash, get em sell em, fresh cash for buying new player :D
Not sure why you called yourself a crap manager and the response expected or is this just to create buzz. Many managers did much better and many more did worse. We all can check records of teams through associations so you know what minamino mentioned isnt entirely false. While you did face those difficulties, why have the greek managers of similar level and experience to you faired so much better? Anyway, Dave already mentioned minamino is his friend and a good non cheating manager so i would think he knows his stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blok 45
That was started just because minamino suggested all managers who have 5 STs or more in squad are crap. That is pretty provocative there.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsiderSG
And that alone would upset lots of managers who do play favourite formations with 2 STs (who would have 1 or even 2 STs subs), a mix of ST/AML(R)s as wing forwards, or simply managers like myself who play a lone ST, but with a good ST sub on the bench plus 3 reserves who have ST roles to help tpb training (not all bought as STs but AMCs completed ST role task and on 49/50 of MC role/SA training for next tasks).
Groups like mine is probably least offended as I would just dismiss no-planning managers’ ignorance;
If I do play 2-top or even 3 forwards with ST/AML(R) variations regularly, and then someone call me crap just because I do have 3 first teamers with ST, and another 2 STs on bench, then I definitely will fight back for my pride in choice of formation and play, if that makes sense.
And as we all know very well why better records do not equal to better managers anyway. Laughing at others’ record is really low.
There were only 2 ways to respond to post. Either you encourage him and tell him no he is wrong and that he is not a crap manager or be agreeable. Is it wrong to be agreeable and voice the opinion that too many STs is mismanagement. Not everyone is blessed with the ability to be diplomatic. While you say it is low to laugh at others record. Is it not low to criticise tankers like you do and act all superior when you beat them in events? Or are they ok as targets from your perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
Yes it doesn't mean good records are good managers and bad records doesn't mean bad managers. It actually points towards activity and how much effort you put in. The Greeks had a good gaming strategy which any of us can do but many preferred to be lazy and just whine instead of selling trained players and training a new one from scratch every season.
Yes, you are right that any could have posted that he was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsiderSG
The issue is minamino started suggesting any manager who has 5 STs is crap first - you could check back the thread on the sequence of this event first. I surely wasn’t happy at all too - I do have 5 players of 27 having ST role too. You could have a look and see if this is mismanagement or good management.
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With regards to tankers, I always maintain 2 things:
1) Situational tankers, say who have to take time off because of personal life matters (eg. Long vacation) or simply being too busy (eg. work commitments), are always understandable and should not be criticised in any way (if anything, Nordeus should take part of the blame in not having an holiday option for managers);
2) Intentional abusing tankers who aim to win all other trophies (except league) and also abuse events are what most managers despise
I do criticise those intentional abusing tankers who take the fun of game away from many fellow managers. That is my stand and I stand being corrected if it is wrong too.
Cannot speak for others, but I do build my team from only buying players from auctions and then training them with a specific aim to fit them into the style I like to play with. Intentional abusing tankers do the opposite to ruin a fair fighting chance on events for other managers, so personally I take more gratification in beating them with my 15-20% weaker team. I am definitely not superior, but surely enjoy a whole lot more than beating a same-quality manager in those circumstances and will show my joy too. :)
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Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
With regards to mismanagement, many of us in some way are guilty of it. Like i mentioned, when someone calls himself a crap manager and displays his record, is he fishing for a compliment? Cant another forumer share his opinion if its negative or does it have to stroke his ego. I prefer records like yours to those of blok45 so i will let him know. He says things were more difficult in the past but i know alot of players who are high level and do alot better. These good record players all think players with Bad records are lazy. And players with bad records say players with good records are cheats.
I do not share minamino’s opinion on the ST portion as i think formation is cosmetic. Only formation. TACTICS are crucial. To me all the bs on formations is just noise that i ignore. Anyone who used to follow Niks guides in the past would have read countless of comments stating so.
Essentially what you said is correct. You have your stand and so do i. You responded defending blok and i responded defending minamino. Simply that. Both of us have our rights to do so. You think that tankers who win trophies ought to be criticised. I think the game needs to be criticised for allowing it. Perhaps you think there is no way the game will change so target the players? I think no way you can change players minds so better to tackle the problem at its roots.
Points to think about
In the top 100 players with trophies, how many players have english as a first language? I dont think i see many english speaking players.
Greeks are the most influential in the game in the recent survey. Can your voice be louder than those who have more influence? How do you influence the influencers?
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Yes, indeed. That’s why I very much respect your standpoint defending minamino while myself defending blok45 on this very topic, as we probably share similar views in most other issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsiderSG
When it comes to mismanagement, I surely had my horrible moment when I was so careless in forgetting to renew contracts of several players before end of last season, resulting in an extremely horrible draw in the Cup this season (122%, drawn with 148% plus no less than 10x teams of 115%-133%). Already managed 2 comeback draws of 1-1 & 2-2 in 2nd legs after comfortable 1st leg wins, with the 2-2 game with 23 shots and only 4 on target (typical troll game but managed to scrape through it). Expecting every Cup round to be a real fight, and the final will be either of 2 tankers (typical level 4 account which started back 18 & 9 seasons ago and stayed forever). Again it is a huge motivation for me to beat this type of abusing tankers to give them a lesson (that a not-too-bad manipulator could beat an abusing tanker). It will be some achievement if I could keep the unbeaten run going this season to beat a 25% better team.
Records alone is not a useful indicator of how good a manager is. Managers who play it tough with no manipulation or tanking whatsoever will not have a full trophy cabinet and a higher % of losses with the extremely competitive nature. Would be great if there is a stat indicator to show the average quality difference of opponents throughout seasons for us to appreciate and compare.
In terms of Nordeus, I never hold back in criticising them at all (at least a few times every season). An employee of theirs would not be so blunt in criticism and also so revealing about all the possible ways of getting the maximum benefits as freeloaders (I never pay money on this game and never will, because this game can be won fairly without any spending at all). They probably dislike me way more than other forumers as a freeloader should not be able to compete at such rate, which is really the counter-productive to their marketing on premiums and monthly add-ons. (How on earth a level-1 freeloader account can win top prize of KoK? Would they like that?)
With matches, for me, both formation and tactics are equally extremely important. Losing either completely will definitely lose us the match easily. Say if you play a 4-5v-1, and I play a 4-1-3-1AML-ST(skewed left) with equally same stat players, I can guarantee you the latter formation team will win 4/5 times easily, no matter what tactics the former team uses or changes. But when 2 formations are not perfect counter of each other, then the manager who has the better tactics would win. Maybe we could play some friendlies on end day of season to try this out (KoK was extremely boring, but it is a very useful battlefield to verify on perfect counter formations, providing that our team is versatile enough to change and try repeatedly - my team is set up in a way to play every single possible formation, except 3 STs [Yes, not exaggerating every]).
And about your last point about HK & China. Just to state facts and not trying to stir unnecessary conflicts or arguments from mainlanders. Not about who is ‘better’ or ‘worse’, but about the difference:
It all depends on a few things, such as if the person was born before 97, what kind of upbringing the person had, what kind of schools the person attended then, and then what kind of environment the person spends his/her life in.
Typically, the earlier from 97 a person was born, the higher likely the chance the person received education under British colonial rule, which tends to teach more about freedom than nationality; (because colonial rule purposefully conveys less nationalism with more freedom for easier rule then)
Upbringing depends on parents and family, and their values all stem from their own education and life; (not difficult to find out how it works with influx in 60 & 70s)
Schools’ choice like those typically started by Western clerics in 1900s, which often attracted the better talents back in the older days, could also convey more messages about choices and morality with a relatively high level acceptance of different values and development in talents other than just academics;
And then it was and still is popular with HK parents sending kids overseas for higher education, which may further broaden their mindset and adopt even more Western values (eg. Cheating is really wrong, so at least don’t do it even when you can stop others doing it [socially unacceptable] Vs Cheating is common in some aspects in China so join cheating will be easier than not doing it [an environment-forced decision])
Probably the above alone would infuriate a lot of mainlanders already and start claiming HK is now under China rule, etc. One has to understand a few current generations of some 6m+ population who had a very high tendency to accept and embrace different values in most corners of the world are more likely to live with their learned values and way of life gained through years of education and adult life, but not switching to a totally different kind of value, language and other ways of life with just a change of flag on the land.
That would explain the difference of why HK people are different, because they were brought up in a different environment living a different way of life. Again, not claiming better or worse, but just different. Very, very different.
While I do agree that records do not accurately identify a good manager. There is a clear distinction between a manager who puts in effort vs those who do not put in effort among non manipulators. I was once a non manipulator. Never did I have more losses than draws. And the win rate still remains high as I get knocked out over 2 matches or 1 in cup and CL. But usually win the league and would win almost all my matches prior to being knocked out. The players who show me records with so many losses and expect to be treated like they have alot of experience are misleading new players. They have definitely tanked prior or have been inactive for so long that their experience is no better than the low levels. But I can tell you for certain, a good trophy haul does show the manager is good at high levels. Everyone manipulates these days so it ain't a walk in the park for such managers as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
Also we have to keep an open mind. If we have a few accounts, would you expect every account to play the same way? I don't know about you but I wouldn't. I would definitely have a tanking account that is aimed at destroying others records. I would find that fun if I had the time.
I agree on everything you said on HK vs the mainland. I have much more to add but this ain't the place and that's why I had that whole part removed from my post. Somehow u clicked reply before I was done editing. All I will mention is most of the cheating and scamming in my country originates from China and Africa.
Very good discussion here guys, but I just want to point out that managers in the game might have gone through different playing phases with the game. There can be times, where a player didn't take the game seriously or had long breaks from the game.
I am actually a perfect example, I play this game for almost 8 years now, started in April of 2013. However, the time when I was starting to enjoy the game, get a lot of knowledge on training and other things, and since then played it more seriously, was about 3 years ago in 2018.
When you take a look in my team showcase, there is a picture from my club history in Level 48, where I had 775 wins, 332 draws and 683 losses with only 12 league titles and 2 CL titles, which is actually horrible and for me would indicate an inactive player (which I probably was up to this point)... I remember when I was playing the game back then, buying expensive 5 star old players in auctions. The first round in cup would almost always be the end of my campaign then and I didn't know, that you could use rest packs for training players. :D
Today I am Level 84 and my club history is obviously still not the best, however my win % has improved significantly since then. Today I have 1400 wins more compared to my Level 48 stats, while only accumulating another 200 losses, which is actually decent in my opinion. If you only take the last year or so, the win % might even be a lot higher than this, because I had another 3 months break from the game in 2019.
I know some other people, who are like me. Who had this one moment, later in their "career", where they learned a lot about the game and thus improved a lot. Who today are very good managers and didn't want to start a new account just for better stats... So club record might be an indicator for how active someone is, but in higher levels especially, probably not the best. It's just a reflection of your past time. But what matters is the present, the current version of the opponent in front of you. And he might be a lot better than his records might tell. Or he might not be, because he is nowadays only playing the game casually and his greatest times, where he got the maximum enjoyment out of TE, might be in the past.
That's the problem. Too good a record,even non manipulators get falsely accused. Too bad a record and it shows inactivity. We can't even tell if the inactivity is someone who logs in once a month or someone who was away for an extended period as they didn't use to reset records until recently. Winning at the top of the server is definitely difficult but if you spend a few seasons storing resources like MNK and go all out for a few seasons, you would definitely have a good shot at some trophies. In the end, I have to say winning is not so much skill but activity and consistent effort. For myself, I had a pretty decent record when I did not manipulate. But it also doesn't mean I am skilled at tactics but just that I train my players well which is probably a requirement to be classified as a good manager as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
Players are gonna get shamed no matter how they play whether it's tanking, manipulating or upselling. Yet by playing normally, you play with unfair draws. I dare say unfair draws cause as many players to quit as loopholes if not more. Many players say they love competition yet end up rage quitting like myself. And yes Der Ryan, I know many players have more interest in their lower level accounts. The competition at higher levels with +1+2 cup and cl opponents is really boring especially when the top level repeats a season. You can't get over the quality disadvantage as top level repeating the season is as good as tanking. They can only hope they get to the top asap to get pass that disadvantage.
I don’t think Nordeus needs to change anything nor do i think players need to change the way they play. Players want to have fun and be entertained by a game. I could easily listen and be influenced by more experienced players that i should not manipulate and tank yet go for trophies. I end up playing normally, get frustrated and quit. Why go through that if you know you ain’t built that way? These so called loopholes are ways to play the game. They offer an outlet for those who have limited spending power but have a desire to win. While i do think everyone has a right to an opinion, i don’t think it’s right to judge others and put them down. I personally didnt like reading that tankers who go for trophies are the most despised. Thats what i just did and the comment came from HeavenAAA who i regularly private message. I take it personally and i find it rather toxic. I wont change the way i play because of what you said but it definitely annoys me. Its no wonder no one wants to come to the forum these days.
I guess you have misunderstood what I meant there. I surely don’t mean you there who aren’t one of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
What I was referring to are those abusing tankers who repeatedly stay at the same level regularly for the same 3 trophies. Eg. Account started in May 2020 and yet still at level 4, with more losses than wins in under 400 matches with a 170% team, and in the same Cup draw with my level-5 account started in Nov 2020. These are the types most managers find it the most disruptive when it is obvious their team at their level can’t possibly only get 9th in league seasons after seasons.
Yeah, easily misunderstood as it was exactly what I did. Mate, you have manipulated before. You know the kind of players we face. They ain't active and do they even deserve to win a trophy when they put in so little effort. Our strongest competitors are usually manipulators. I don't like handing trophies to other manipulators as well. If they want it, they have to beat me for it. I hope you mean it when you say you ain't referring to me as it really doesn't make sense in both scenarios for my past 2 seasons to hand my opponents the trophies on a silver platter.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
It really does not matter who you despise. The game rewards inactive players to keep them playing. Have a look at our moderators if you can source them out. Many have had long periods of inactivity judging by their losses or maybe they tanked. Shouldnt they have selected consistently active players for such positions, or at least players who are active in the forum? Moreover, if all your moderators play the same way, wouldnt your feedback be one dimensional, covering only a certain type of users. low level players and high level players do not want the same things leading to a conflict of interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
The same logic applies for tankers who win trophies. Some are active, some aint but most try for the cup and CL. Many get knocked out along the way because they aint active and solely rely on their quality to win while forgetting to switch teams. Problem can easily fixed but too much opportunity cost. Regular players aint active enough (dont watch enough videos or invest enough money) and do not have enough accounts to compensate for accounts who exploit loopholes (many of which are also spenders).
You mentioned you call out the developers out often but i do not see anything when i look through your historical posts, it is mostly centered on blaming the players. Maybe the only significant one was when you had account issues. Quite coincidental that it took place shortly after your perfect win record was blemished in your previous account. Cant say much as i would do the same.
That peaked my interest. I’m a Moderator (easily sourced as I’m active on here). I’ve never tanked nor had any period of inactivity in all my 8 years playing this game. Levelled up every season except one where I finished 9th.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsiderSG
Or did you mean something else by Moderator?
Wow, eight years of continuous playing
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How active you are is subjective, no? Isn't a moderator supposed to be a impartial,active, passionate player? I don't see that and I never saw much of your posts either. It was always Nik and Khris. You weren't exactly active on Facebook groups either. This wasn't meant to single anyone out but since you asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave1311
You guys get 100 tokens per month for assisting and helping out. Is it more now due to inflation? Sadly many of your records dont reflect that. Looking more like casual players. Isnt it a smart move to appoint less active players so that they keep playing? Addicted players need no incentive.
You guys ain't impartial either. Not sure if it's a directive from Nordeus but it is sounding more and more like strategy to turn players against each other so the pressure is off the developer so no changes need to be made.
I mentioned this a few times. It's highly visible. This is the English section of the forum.if you guys want to influence changes to player attitudes, shouldn't you guys get the target market right? The predominantly English speaking nations don't have many players exploiting loopholes and you know it. Why aren't you guys focusing on the Greeks, Turks or Russians?
That's an interesting opinion however most of what you say is factually incorrect. So, to address the points that you make; I'm not sure where you got your information from. Nik isn't even a Mod anymore and hasn't been for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsiderSG
I would argue that I and my fellow Moderators are impartial but of course I have my views on how the game is like everyone else. I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone just because they play differently to me. How people want to play is up to them. If people want to tank, upsell or manipulate to get assured trophies and it makes them feel good, then I'm pleased for them that they get pleasure from playing that way. Ultimately Nordeus calls the shots on what happens in the game, not the Mods, who are there to ensure that the forum is properly run and provoke regular and active discussion in the forum.
Personally I'm not focused on Facebook so you're right, I tend to be not so active on there. I like to see others views and maybe comment if I see something that I know is factually incorrect. As for my record, well, I play for fun and don't manipulate or tank so of course my trophy haul isn't like some. Do I care? Nope. I just enjoy playing, win or lose. You say our records don't reflect how many tokens you perceive us to have? Well everyone invests their tokens in their own way. Having tons of tokens doesn't necessarily make a quadruple winning every season manager. I've never won a quadruple or even a treble. Do I care? Nope.
Turning players against each other? I cannot say I'm aware of any such strategy. Again, an interesting view that you have there. You appear to assume that the Moderators are Nordeus employees. We are not. We are all regular players just like you.
I won't get into focusing attentions on Greeks, Turks and Russians as I feel it unfair to single out any one section of the community for the way they play the game. That isn't something for Moderators to worry about.
In summary, I think that I'm active, impartial and passionate about the game as are my Mod colleagues. But you are entitled to your views and I respect that.
Fair enough. I still think being a moderator is a position of influence and power and your views can impact the game. I have read posts from you expressing your views that undermines the accomplishments of those who exploit loopholes. When you single out a single section of players, it is bound to cause some unhappiness and this is a result of it. Since it is ok to judge certain players playstyle, I reckon it would be ok for players to judge your playstyles as well. Afterall, all these are just opinions of each individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave1311
I simply think each of us has expectations of one another but we should control what we say publicly. You have expectations that players should not exploit loopholes while I have expectations of moderators as well. Similar to yourself, I couldn't care less how others play their game and focus on enjoying the game myself. It's just too bad that a big part of my games gets ruined reading discrimatory remarks to how people should play. While it isnt directed at me, when I read such stuff, I always think what's gives the player the right to judge others and immediately start picking on their flaws.
But like you said, I too respect your opinion and it wasn't meant to be personal. I still think most of you guys are not representing a large number of players as most of you are high level and do not exploit loopholes. This leads to the same opinion being voiced over and over which alienates large sections of the community. Perhaps Nordeus employees play at lower levels so need more input from high level players.
Moderators are impartial but do not forget that just like you we are players as well and you should respect our opinion. Most of the times we do not agree with Nordeus / Top Eleven as well but this is a different story as we do not really know what's happening in the background.Quote:
How active you are is subjective, no? Isn't a moderator supposed to be a impartial,active, passionate player? I don't see that and I never saw much of your posts either. It was always Nik and Khris. You weren't exactly active on Facebook groups either. This wasn't meant to single anyone out but since you asked.
Is much more than 100 tokens a month :cool: . If you interested in becoming a moderator you can always request to apply.Quote:
You guys get 100 tokens per month for assisting and helping out. Is it more now due to inflation? Sadly many of your records dont reflect that. Looking more like casual players. Isnt it a smart move to appoint less active players so that they keep playing? Addicted players need no incentive.
There is no directive. We are free to speak what we think as long as we do it in a civilized way.Quote:
You guys ain't impartial either. Not sure if it's a directive from Nordeus but it is sounding more and more like strategy to turn players against each other so the pressure is off the developer so no changes need to be made.
You are trying to enter in an endless discussion without analizing or knowing to much. You are asking us to change behaviors on international level which is impossible. People from Turkey, Russia, Asian countries or even my country Romania, will always look for loopholes because is easier for us. Time / money is more effective but this is a really long talk and forum isn't for politics.Quote:
I mentioned this a few times. It's highly visible. This is the English section of the forum.if you guys want to influence changes to player attitudes, shouldn't you guys get the target market right? The predominantly English speaking nations don't have many players exploiting loopholes and you know it. Why aren't you guys focusing on the Greeks, Turks or Russians?
However good feedback overall and hopefully you will look to understand our (or at least, my) point of view as well.
As I said, I do not want to make from this topic an endless discussion but we can take this in private and elaborate.
Regards,
George
I find it difficult respecting those who don't give it or deserve it. However, there is a difference between being respectful and having respect for a person. I think i have been respectful in our discussions. Am I expected to keep quiet when the opinion is against what I know to be true. Moderators are players like us but have more knowledge and deserve more respect? I don't quite agree with the concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin
I have no intention of making this an endless discussion but some.people think they know it all and only have the intention of listening to opinions that match their own. Sorry to say, I do not have such high regard for moderators who are like that. Good to know you guys get alot of tokens. Like I said, moderators should be active passionate players to really benefit the community. With that many tokens, you'd expect moderators to be more successful had they been active.
There is no need to take it private. I am happy to put an end to this debacle. I know where you guys stood even before but i hope the message was put through that you guys are influencers the community looks up to. It isnt nice to put certain players down for the way they play and discredit them which is what some of you do.
Jumping off here as this directly involves me :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsiderSG
If you have any concerns about how active a moderator is, or if he is benefiting the community, or even about the way he's playing, you can always message an admin.
Not escalating this because there is actually no need to do so. We're already off-topic and the discussion is going to be endless.
No need for that. Its just an opinion. You guys responded because i mentioned my opinion on moderators. The anger that some of you felt when being attacked/accused is what you would expect manipulators, tankers and upsellers to feel when they read comments about how they lack skills and so on. You guys are responding 1 at a time so yeah it would be endless.Quote:
Originally Posted by milpol
