$500 team vs $5 team in CL draw.

Is contributing the game still included Top Eleven policies regarding respect to free or low-budget teams and a widening gap of investing money inequality?

Must we have that monster team created with Personal trainer and many boosters every season his starting AvQ is 50% higher than 2nd highest AvQ team in same CL and Cup draw? Is it really hard to find similar AvQ teams participating in his competitions? Or you letting him win easy quadruples is a way of saying "thank you" for invested an enormous amount of money by him.

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So they give you opportunity to choose how you want to play the game - you want to win or you want to loose ;)

I don't see anything wrong in this. He invested money with the view of holding a significant avq advantage, he's a whale! If anyone has an advantage it's your team because you are one level above him and that's already a +20 quality advantage!

Unfair draws are draws that pit a team with a +1 or sometimes +2 level giving the higher level team a very unfair advantage over the lower level team.

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I don't see anything wrong in this. He invested money with the view of holding a significant avq advantage, he's a whale! If anyone has an advantage it's your team because you are one level above him and that's already a +20 quality advantage!

Unfair draws are draws that pit a team with a +1 or sometimes +2 level giving the higher level team a very unfair advantage over the lower level team.

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1) 31 teams in CL, AvQ around 80-110% 1 team is 160%. His team's already capable of fighting against +2LvL teams. You don't see anything wrong in this.

2) In Cup 63 teams AvQ between 70-110% 1 team is 160% what a pity! Must be very fair and tough draw for him, but you still don't see anything wrong in this.

3) Assistant manager is not able to offer a new sign who's max. 8 star quality vs upcoming opponents 9 star 180% player.
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It's very obvious and clear that all draws are unfair and all wrong. Non negotiable in every sense. He's abusing the game with spending too much money. Something like a bug because the game cannot match him with +2 Level clubs for balanced draw. +1 Level +20% AvQ boost is not helping and also there aren't enough similar AvQ teams in server, either. I hope you won't have a monster team in your pots.

No I don't see anything wrong. He invested a sizeable amount of money to gain an advantage, what do you expect Nordeus to do? Maybe put him in +4 level competitions where his advantage will be wiped off and he will just be another 6 star team? How will that be fair to him?

As a manager who constantly compete in +1 level tournaments where some super teams manipulate the draw so bad that they end up in -1 level tournaments instead of being in +1 level tournaments themselves, I find complaining about a -1 level team ridiculous given that Nordeus already gave you a clear 20% quality advantage.

Here is one of such +1 level teams I've had to face this seasonhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5167c2cd05.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...3beb324f70.jpg

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Not sure what you are complaining about, you have Real,Madrid buying the best players it can to have an huge advantage over their opponents. It is just football.

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No I don't see anything wrong. He invested a sizeable amount of money to gain an advantage, what do you expect Nordeus to do? Maybe put him in +4 level competitions where his advantage will be wiped off and he will just be another 6 star team? How will that be fair to him?

As a manager who constantly compete in +1 level tournaments where some super teams manipulate the draw so bad that they end up in -1 level tournaments instead of being in +1 level tournaments themselves, I find complaining about a -1 level team ridiculous given that Nordeus already gave you a clear 20% quality advantage.

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Your example is not related in this case. His team's real AvQ is 139.3% and yours 134.2% i don't see any problem in your draw. You should tell us your AvQ on day 1. If he got a balanced fair draw and then he spent the money to increase his team's AvQ, would be ok and never complained about it, but my rival getting easy quadruples in every season what we are talking about.

After server update on day1 (without investing and transfer) my rival AvQ is 160% second highest is 110% and my AvQ on day 1 was 92%.

So if having such competitors which are 50% weaker than your club on day 1 is ok, Sorry i'm not concerned with your ideas of justice. i have nothing else to say to you! No matter what you think, the truth is he's abusing game and He takes away other clubs chance to be won or defended their titles.

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Not sure what you are complaining about, you have Real,Madrid buying the best players it can to have an huge advantage over their opponents. It is just football.

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Investment and transfers after server maintenance on day 1, you are right and i accept it's in football. But if he starts season 50% stronger than second best team in his draws. It's not fair and there's very big problem.

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Your example is not related in this case. His team's real AvQ is 139.3% and yours 134.2% i don't see any problem in your draw. You should tell us your AvQ on day 1. If he got a balanced fair draw and then he spent the money to increase his team's AvQ, would be ok and never complained about it, but my rival getting easy draws in every season what we are talking about.

After server update on day1 (without investing and transfer) my rival AvQ is 160% second highest is 110% and my AvQ on day 1 was 92%.

So if having such competitors which are 50% weaker than your club on day 1, i have nothing else to say to you! No matter what you think, the truth is he's abusing game and He takes away other clubs chance to be won or defended their titles.

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You don't see a problem when my team is 134% Vs his 139% on a normal day. Then Nordeus simply gifts him an extra 20% quality making it 134% Vs 159% all because he is in a higher level.

Now he did nothing to earn that extra 20% it was simply handed to him by nordeus by virtue of him grossly manipulating the draw with the 1* players in his team and that puts my team in a serious disadvantage.

However in your case you have a -1 level team who is already disadvantaged thanks to Nordeus but has invested heavily in the game to make up and quite simply blow the other teams out of the water with sheer avg quality rather than manipulate the draw to play teams his level. He has done no wrong!

I don’t think that “fair draw” is when all teams are equal or close quality. When someone manager invest time and money in the game he makes it for easy win. I will not going into the psychological profile of this manager, why he need easy win, but this is the reason to invest his hard earned money in the game. So in my opinion it is very unfair to make him meet others strong teams. If I make my team 140-150% quality, I will expect easy draw and easy wins.

I too have to meet very high level teams, in the Cup and Champions League, therefore no chance of winning a trophy in these competitions. of course I agree to meet teams at +200% (which N+1) if the player has invested a lot of money, but this is not always the case. Today I am at N102 and the top of the server has 103, and over the last 4 or 5 seasons at least 2 times there has been no rise for the top of the server so all benefits for these teams. So Nordeus must group together several servers to avoid this kind of anomaly which distorts the game somewhat, but unfortunately the problem persists.

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is contributing the game still included top eleven policies regarding respect to free or low-budget teams and a widening gap of investing money inequality?

Must we have that monster team created with personal trainer and many boosters every season his starting avq is 50% higher than 2nd highest avq team in same cl and cup draw? Is it really hard to find similar avq teams participating in his competitions? Or you letting him win easy quadruples is a way of saying "thank you" for invested an enormous amount of money by him.


All of the above.

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all of the above.

@raiko Very anti competitive. I am sure nobody is happy. Many players out there hate walkovers as they say it isn’t fun. Hopefully your well trained players have a chance against his players who mostly have high greys. Hardly see anyone with white skills above 200 in his team.

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I don’t think that “fair draw” is when all teams are equal or close quality. When someone manager invest time and money in the game he makes it for easy win. I will not going into the psychological profile of this manager, why he need easy win, but this is the reason to invest his hard earned money in the game. So in my opinion it is very unfair to make him meet others strong teams. If I make my team 140-150% quality, I will expect easy draw and easy wins.

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Draw 1 AvQ order:
1)170% 2)the team 160% 3)150% 4)135% 5)110% is fair.

Draw 2 AvQ order:
1)team 160% 2)155% 3)150% 4)145% 5)140% is fair.

Draw 3 AvQ order:
1)team 160% 2)130% 3)120% 4)115% 5)110% is fair

Draw 4 AvQ order:
1)team 160% 2)110% 3)105% 4)100% 5)100% is very unfair.

If you make your team 140-150% quality, you should expect to see at least 2-3 tough rivals on your way. It shouldn't be all walkover matches for you, isn't it?

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@raiko Very anti competitive. I am sure nobody is happy. Many players out there hate walkovers as they say it isn’t fun. Hopefully your well trained players have a chance against his players who mostly have high greys. Hardly see anyone with white skills above 200 in his team.

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It could be possible before the updates were pushed in last year. You should be aware of that team's AvQ is the main decider to win a game. Now all of his games are walkover. Zero resistance throughout quadruples. Game should not match up teams which is 30% stronger than second highest team in pots. At least 2-3 teams should be able to win/defend their titles at the beginning of the season. If he invested money to increase the quality gap from 30% to 50% i'd respect it and just shut the feck up.

But if he starts season with 50% gap, i'll be all against this bug he's abusing.

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It could be possible before the updates were pushed in last year. You should be aware of that team's AvQ is the main decider to win a game. Now all of his games are walkover. Zero resistance throughout quadruples. Game should not match up teams which is 30% stronger than second highest team in pots. At least 2-3 teams should be able to win/defend their titles at the beginning of the season. If he invested money to increase the quality gap from 30% to 50% i'd respect it and just shut the feck up.

But if he starts season with 50% gap, i'll be all against this bug he's abusing.

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Yup, you’re right. Average quality is the main decider. In fact i noticed well trained teams having less of an advantage against similar quality untrained teams with recent updates. 40 to 50 quality stronger in draws is common though, apparently thats what some players want since many are against manipulating. Anyway, you probably drew him because you are doing well and winning trophies, it gets tougher with consecutive trophies. Give up a few trophies or take a break from the game and it gets easy again.

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Draw 1 AvQ order:
1)170% 2)the team 160% 3)150% 4)135% 5)110% is fair.

Draw 2 AvQ order:
1)team 160% 2)155% 3)150% 4)145% 5)140% is fair.

Draw 3 AvQ order:
1)team 160% 2)130% 3)120% 4)115% 5)110% is fair

Draw 4 AvQ order:
1)team 160% 2)110% 3)105% 4)100% 5)100% is very unfair.

If you make your team 140-150% quality, you should expect to see at least 2-3 tough rivals on your way. It shouldn't be all walkover matches for you, isn't it?

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For me the only fair draw is the next one:

All teams is separated in groups by quality
Group 1 - Teams 160-140%
Group 2 - Teams 140-120%
Group 3 - Teams 120-100%
Group 4 - Teams 100-80%

Draw - 2 (or 3) teams from Group1, 2 (or 3) teams from Group2, 2 (or 3) teams from Group3, 2 (or 3) teams from Group4

Had to delete all friends on my Lvl and -1. I hope it works to stay out of the pay to win abuser.

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Hi RaiKo,

I do not see any issue here and having this quality gap should be even more often than it is now.

You cannot expect to win same amount of trophy like somebody who invested 10x time or 10x money, is just not fair for them.

Think logical, why would they keep investing money if they do not win anything, why somebody will invest 1000$ if he know he will have to face 13 other teams that invested the same amount of money. Would you think is fair to invest that amount of money or time to with the 10th place for example?

Is like Troys complaining they have to face PSG in Ligue One, saying is not fair.

Personally I do believe the gap should get bigger and I do not agree with Top Eleven when they group the strongest team together based on quality. At best a total random drawing system could be the solution.

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I tried this before and i don’t think it works. In the end, I was advised to tank. But i was told removing all bots/nordeus affiliated accounts and adding real players as friends help but i really can’t tell them apart.

Might wanna consider tanking/manipulating? Tankers have a real chance at beating such players, pressuring them to spend more

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This game didn't work like that bro. If you want to avoid high % team you have to manipulate the draw aka sell most of your high % player, keep 1* player like 11 in them and keep 3 of your strong player to assemble 14 players by end of season.
By next season you'll face lower % team and you'll have to buy new player to increase your team % back up again.
Hence why i called Top11 as Manipulation11, wait..it should be Manipulation14

I didn't do this because I'm at max level on my server and the last few years I did it I still get to draw against Manipulator14 teams too. Oh the perks of being old & high level player.
Wish that we could reset our team like the good old days:(

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It worked for me but i had to remove all my friends at that time and add completely new ones. Tanking as mentioned is a safer bet but it ruins career stats.

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It worked for me but i had to remove all my friends at that time and add completely new ones. Tanking as mentioned is a safer bet but it ruins career stats.

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It looks like didn't work for me either. Game let him join this walkover tournament as 32nd team!
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So 31+63+13=107 teams will work for him who does not find some delight in the feats of a private dancer, the edge of his seat suspense of a good wholesome pole dance. Keep going.
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Hi RaiKo,

I do not see any issue here and having this quality gap should be even more often than it is now.

You cannot expect to win same amount of trophy like somebody who invested 10x time or 10x money, is just not fair for them.

Think logical, why would they keep investing money if they do not win anything, why somebody will invest 1000$ if he know he will have to face 13 other teams that invested the same amount of money. Would you think is fair to invest that amount of money or time to with the 10th place for example?

Is like Troys complaining they have to face PSG in Ligue One, saying is not fair.

Personally I do believe the gap should get bigger and I do not agree with Top Eleven when they group the strongest team together based on quality. At best a total random drawing system could be the solution.

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I assure you, i'm one of the most logical manager you can find out in this forum. I never complain and crying like 10 y.o kid. If i insist to explain a case which should have not been atm, this is 100% reality you cannot run away from it.

All your arguments are not related in this topic and really i laugh at them.

First thing you don't understand, why every season i have to lose all tournaments against him? I want to play the game with a reasonable money investment. I'm an elite class manager, kicked his poor arse many times, but it's not possible to win again after the game update about AvQ importance and white/grey skills effectiveness. No matter what you try, at the end of season you get a big zero, he will get his quadruple gift easily.

About PSG, its funny. In local league a club can dominate the season( don't forget what LOSC Lille did in 20/21 season), but when you participate in international tournaments, it may not be possible. Money does not guarantee you the success. If you were right, where's the Champions League trophies in their museum? Sorry sorry...They had to face with other competitive big clubs like Real Madrid Juventus Chelsea, isn't it?

Please look at the quality difference after server update has been finished on Day1. Captured at both teams have not made new transfers or investment yet. My assistant manager tries to tell the truth in a good manner like "we'll be a party clown in his club house." Is this draw ok and healty? If you still don't see any problem here, i'm not concerned with your thoughts anymore.
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I assure you, i'm one of the most logical manager you can find out in this forum. I never complain and crying like 10 y.o kid. If i insist to explain a case which should have not been atm, this is 100% reality you cannot run away from it.

All your arguments are not related in this topic and really i laugh at them.

First thing you don't understand, why every season i have to lose all tournaments against him? I want to play the game with a reasonable money investment. I'm an elite class manager, kicked his poor arse many times, but it's not possible to win again after the game update about AvQ importance and white/grey skills effectiveness. No matter what you try, at the end of season you get a big zero, he will get his quadruple gift easily.

About PSG, its funny. In local league a club can dominate the season( don't forget what LOSC Lille did in 20/21 season), but when you participate in international tournaments, it may not be possible. Money does not guarantee you the success. If you were right, where's the Champions League trophies in their museum? Sorry sorry...They had to face with other competitive big clubs like Real Madrid Juventus Chelsea, isn't it?

Please look at the quality difference after server update has been finished on Day1. Captured at both teams have not made new transfers or investment yet. My assistant manager tries to tell the truth in a good manner like "we'll be a party clown in his club house." Is this draw ok and healty? If you still don't see any problem here, i'm not concerned with your thoughts anymore.
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If you removed all your friends and still got him, soft/hard manipulation and tanking might be the last 2 options. You do have to remove ALL friends because i notice some of my competition add all friends who support me which i believe might affect draws causing me to end up facing the same guys repeatedly.

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If you removed all your friends and still got him, soft/hard manipulation and tanking might be the last 2 options. You do have to remove ALL friends because i notice some of my competition add all friends who support me which i believe might affect draws causing me to end up facing the same guys repeatedly.

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I deleted all friends before maintenance. It partly worked. Get rid of him from my cup, but matched again in CL. I thought a team from his league in my association. Could it be reason?

I will never be silent until they fix draw mechanism to be fair otherwise i have to delete this game as soon as i find a game that's replacement of it. Sorry my time is valuable enough not to have this crap.
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I deleted all friends before maintenance. It partly worked. Get rid of him from my cup, but matched again in CL. I thought a team from his league in my association. Could it be reason?

I will never be silent until they fix draw mechanism to be fair otherwise i have to delete this game as soon as i find a game that's replacement of it. Sorry my time is valuable enough not to have this crap.
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Never experienced it but i do think its possible.

Can try adding weak inactive teams at your level that do not support. Might help your draws a little as well.