Frenzy Draw 60/60

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07-31-2023
PricopGeorgeCătălin

Frenzy Draw 60/60

As I returned to play for the next 2,3 months probably, I decided to try Draw Frenzy and went full-blown no matter the consequences.

The reason behind is pure fun as I could afford it and to be educative.

In my case even if I finished the event, it clearly didn't worth as I had to spend nearly 4000 tokens on red cards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kv...l=GeorgePricop

This even was something that intrigued me when I saw it for the first time because it gave me the feeling of gambling (/slots?) and I can only wonder how the others see this. Considering is in exchange for tokens (something that can be purchased with real money as many players do) I believe is far to say is gambling?

Couldn't find an in-game explanation about what Top Eleven consider that this is, I decided to create this topic for awareness.

What is your experience with this and how you see it?
07-31-2023
SuperDunk

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

As I returned to play for the next 2,3 months probably, I decided to try Draw Frenzy and went full-blown no matter the consequences.

The reason behind is pure fun as I could afford it and to be educative.

In my case even if I finished the event, it clearly didn't worth as I had to spend nearly 4000 tokens on red cards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kvUVRV_NE&t=142s&ab_channel=GeorgePricop

This even was something that intrigued me when I saw it for the first time because it gave me the feeling of gambling (/slots?) and I can only wonder how the others see this. Considering is in exchange for tokens (something that can be purchased with real money as many players do) I believe is far to say is gambling?

Couldn't find an in-game explanation about what Top Eleven consider that this is, I decided to create this topic for awareness.

What is your experience with this and how you see it?

This is gambling 100%, i am guessing they will get away with the "You get free entries" excuse.
I have lost around 3600 tokens on 2 accounts 6 months ago playing the DRAW FRENZY event and didn t get anything worthwhile, and since then i have barely got to level 30.
08-01-2023
tomu741

Imagine loosing 4000 tokens on this **** and saying it's fun part :D
08-01-2023
SuperDunk

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Originally Posted by tomu741

Imagine loosing 4000 tokens on this **** and saying it's fun part :D

He said before that he won t play for long , only for a few seasons, so losing 4000 tokens if you aren't playing long term shouldn't make a difference.
08-01-2023
PricopGeorgeCătălin

As I said above in my case the tokens at that time were not an issue, more or less I could afford it so losing 4k of tokens was no drama for me but I understand why it can make others quit the game. Video above is experimental and I am happy I actually ended up spending 4k as it can bring awareness.

Leaving that aside, I see the gambling part and the odds for the house. If in order to get to the 5th round to get something significantly you have to play 4 rounds, and your odds are 1/4 to get a red card, mathematically you lose because once in 4 games you will get a red card.

Like in gambling there's the lucky factor and many of us can actually win a lot with less, but overall the house win so I do not understand how this feature is actually made for the players?

Can someone correct me if I am wrong?
08-01-2023
SuperDunk

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

As I said above in my case the tokens at that time were not an issue, more or less I could afford it so losing 4k of tokens was no drama for me but I understand why it can make others quit the game. Video above is experimental and I am happy I actually ended up spending 4k as it can bring awareness.

Leaving that aside, I see the gambling part and the odds for the house. If in order to get to the 5th round to get something significantly you have to play 4 rounds, and your odds are 1/4 to get a red card, mathematically you lose because once in 4 games you will get a red card.

Like in gambling there's the lucky factor and many of us can actually win a lot with less, but overall the house win so I do not understand how this feature is actually made for the players?

Can someone correct me if I am wrong?

I don t think anyone said this feature was made for players.
The company that bought NORDEUS 2 years ago also owns other casino games, and they tried to implement this idea in TOP11 and see if the event would increase their sells, and it seems that the event is very profitable for them, otherwise wouldn t have been available for over a year.

The attached picture is from the website of Zynga, a company that is also owned by Take Two Interactive if i am not mistaking. And from just a brief look you can see a couple of gambling/casino games within their offer.

And here is the reason:
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08-01-2023
SuperDunk

They won t even bring the official sets again in the store, since it didn t make them profits and the licenses are more expensive than they have been 10 years ago.

Instead they have brought us ICARUS jerseys which were most likely a sponsorship deal with the ICARUS website rather than them paying for their inclusion in the store.

Times have changed, the game has changed. I don t think it is as fun as it was when i first started playing it.

1)The market is worse, to get a fast trainer i have to search for the market days and sometimes even weeks.
2)Training these fast trainers individually from 40-60% to 180% takes from 5 to 7 hours, which in my opinion is a lot of time. Why won t they bring multiple individual trainigs? Why do i have to train every single player for so many hours? But wait, i know the answer, it brings their engagement time up, which they will take advantage of when showing their game statistics.
3)Draw Frenzy literally destroyed the game, top100 associations is literally full of people who spend more than 100 euros every month on this game playing that gambling event.
4)They ruined the competitions draw for 2 seasons now, even if you have 70% rating at the start of the season they still put you up against 130-140-150 and sometimes 200+ players, makes no sense.
5)My fifth complaint is probably with the fact that they are trying to milk sales with their event sets, items that used to be available in the store for 30 tokens 1 season ago.
And i would also like if they brought official items back in the store but i know that unfortunately it won t happen again.

These are my main complaints, with the occasional match troll.
08-01-2023
PricopGeorgeCătălin

In T&C:

"2.3. Are there any age restrictions? Legally, you must be at least 13 years old to use the Nordeus Services."

The game is advertised from 13+, I highly believe that kids on that age understand how this work and will just stimulate their betting habits which is extremely bad.
I really like to believe that there are still people there with moral values, families, who can understand the risks.
08-01-2023
SuperDunk

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

In T&C:

"2.3. Are there any age restrictions? Legally, you must be at least 13 years old to use the Nordeus Services."

The game is advertised from 13+, I highly believe that kids on that age understand how this work and will just stimulate their betting habits which is extremely bad.
I really like to believe that there are still people there with moral values, families, who can understand the risks.

If the people that run the company don t have morals, it doesn t matter what the employees think of the gambling consequences of DRAW FRENZY.

If i had to guess today if they will ever remove the draw frenzy event from the game, i would say there is less than 1% of that to actually take place.
08-01-2023
RaulLopes

As dedicated players of Top Eleven by Nordeus, we are dissatisfied and uncertain about the game's future. Issues with gameplay and long-standing bugs have been overlooked, and updates seem to prioritize monetization over player enjoyment. Lack of transparent communication from the developers adds to our concerns. We hope for improvements to regain the game's former glory and deliver an enjoyable experience for all players.
08-01-2023
vinim

The developers don't care about the players, the gameplay, the game itself, they just want to make a profit. Out of 10 times I've played this frenzy, I get a red card in the second round in 8. I haven't been past the 15th round in 3 seasons. Incredible, they destroy the game, they let guys hide players in these drills earned in the draw frenzy to fall into weaker leagues. The game has lost its grace and Nordeous is for it because the pocket is full of money. Not even free tokens can I receive even fulfilling those tasks on external sites or applications, they say it's not their fault, but after all, from where is the access made for that? Bastards.

sorry for the bad English
08-01-2023
po_zdrach

I play this game for 11 years and in my opinion Draw Frenzy is most disgusting event in all history of T11. Nordeus implemented gambling in best online football manager game and just destroyed it…. So, so sad!
08-01-2023
PricopGeorgeCătălin

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

I play this game for 11 years and in my opinion Draw Frenzy is most disgusting event in all history of T11. Nordeus implemented gambling in best online football manager game and just destroyed it…. So, so sad!

I might not used the same words but I do agree with you, to be honest is one of the things that got me back in the game, to see how this "was allowed to happen".
08-01-2023
tomu741

But it is not all about draw frenzy. Game became casino roulette, event proposing machine. Football and management are left behind and and only designs and events are making improvements.
Transfer system is in the worst condition it ever been.
League system is so outdated that it makes problems for other elements of the game. They make drastic changes for tanking, associations but the only problem is outdated league system.
Football tactics section hasn't changed since the begging of the game.
Ground section is no longer developed. In other words - abandoned.
Winning champions league, super league still makes no point.
Training is so slow process that you sometimes choose not to do this.

What were done in recent years? Casino, events and some stupid player academy
08-01-2023
Julandron

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

I play this game for 11 years and in my opinion Draw Frenzy is most disgusting event in all history of T11. Nordeus implemented gambling in best online football manager game and just destroyed it…. So, so sad!

Playing for 7 years.
100% agree.
Also, it is definitely considered a gambling game because i think it is not available in every country, so they (Nordeus) know.

And they don’t care because they probably lose a lot of players who are tired of their BS, but i am sure there are many many thousands of new players every week who fall for this game.
You can see it in the forum with some new players complaining about things and suggesting the same improvements we have all mentioned for many many years.
Trust me, nothing will ever change, they don’t care.
08-01-2023
pleasures

Like many on here I have been playing for many years, my team is level 106. It is very clear that this game is nothing like the one I started playing. It used to be fun, it used to be realistic, it used to be about creating good squads and competing against similar players. But then first came association's, then they took away negotiations and ever since the game has started to make less and less sense, but more and more about spending money.

Unfortunately people now think its normal to spend money on games and that leads straight into this greedy companies strengths. Now it's about spending money constantly to achieve good results, rather than when I first started about using intelligence and skill to get the best teams.

Nothing will change now, be ready for more nonsense and more money grabbing schemes.
08-01-2023
PricopGeorgeCătălin

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Originally Posted by Julandron

Playing for 7 years.
100% agree.
Also, it is definitely considered a gambling game because i think it is not available in every country, so they (Nordeus) know.

And they don’t care because they probably lose a lot of players who are tired of their BS, but i am sure there are many many thousands of new players every week who fall for this game.
You can see it in the forum with some new players complaining about things and suggesting the same improvements we have all mentioned for many many years.
Trust me, nothing will ever change, they don’t care.

If what you said is true, is even more sad, if the even is not available in other countries I guess that's the reason.

Personally I do feel a bit betrayed as I expected more moral values.
08-01-2023
Julandron

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

If what you said is true, is even more sad, if the even is not available in other countries I guess that's the reason.

Personally I do feel a bit betrayed as I expected more moral values.

Yes, i remember reading here on the forum that someone from a specific country was complaining that draw frenzy was not available to him and someone said it was because that country prohibits “online gambling”
08-14-2023
dave1311

A few months ago I decided to go for it. I got to level 59 then got a Red. But I had less than 1k tokens so had to give up. I nearly walked away on 58 and should have but I wanted to get to the very end.
I decided that I would never do this again as I felt terrible for the rest of that day. I am not a gambler and I was reminded why.
And we have teenagers playing this game that can be drawn into the murky world of 'out of control gambling' which Draw Frenzy clearly is.
Now I will claim after 1 Red only if I have got past level 7.