how to counter 4-5-1 V (what is the best formation)

ok i have seen a topic about 4-5-1V and there are 3 formations to counter it :

4-3-2-1

This is 4-5-1 V-style's brother. It takes advantage of not using a DMC who won't be blocking an nonexistent AMC and vice verse. This translates into a more powerful midfield to feed passes to the forward players.

--------------ST-------------
AML-------------------AMR
------MC----MC----MC----
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DL(UP)--DC--DC---DR(UP)

Motivated 4-5-1 flat.

While an unmotivated 4-5-1 flat would probably succumb to a 4-5-1 V-style, you can take advantage of that and make the opponent underestimate you. He'll probably realize that his flanks are under constant attack after a few goals.

----------------ST------------------
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ML(UP)--MC--MC--MC--MR(UP)
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DL(UP)-----DC---DC-----DR(UP)

3-2-2-2-1

While you don't need more than 1 or 2 DC's against 4-5-1 V, you don't want to use an illegal formation. The extra DC acts as a sweeper, DML/DMR block the attacks from the flanks, and AML/AMR attack the soft flanks.

----------------ST---------------
AML------------------------AMR
-----------MC-----MC-----------
DML------------------------DMR
----DC(UP)DC(DOWN)DC(UP)-

well, what is the best formation of all 3 ? i have players that can play any of this 3 formations and i'm just curious what is your experience with countering 4-5-1v, what is the best formation to counter it, orders... ? thanks a lot !

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While you don't need more than 1 or 2 DC's against 4-5-1 V, you don't want to use an illegal formation. The extra DC acts as a sweeper, DML/DMR block the attacks from the flanks, and AML/AMR attack the soft flanks.:rolleyes:

i just replied to that in another post yesterday mate ..

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Originally Posted by shwanko07

i just replied to that in another post yesterday mate ..

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sorry, next time i'll look better. his tactics changed and now it isn't 4 5 1 v, he just put MC instead of DMC so he's playing wide 4 3 2 1, do i still play butterfly and which orderds ? thanks

I think 3W-5-2 flat or 3W-5-2 V possibly be the formation to use to play against 4-5-1 V, You've only 1 striker to defend against.

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

I think 3W-5-2 flat or 3W-5-2 V possibly be the formation to use to play against 4-5-1 V, You've only 1 striker to defend against.

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but it isn't 451v it is 4 3 2 1 wide(3 mc's-aml amr). please, answer quickly. i'm playing in 8 minutes ! :)

yeah, thanks that was on time !!!

ok, now i'm confused, the result was 1-1 and today i'm playing away, so i need a win or at least 1-1 to go to extra time. what formation and orders would you play ? my quality is better by 1 or 2... should i play defensive on counter ? his formation is 4-5-1 v
i should mention that his DL is 29, and DR 31, and AMR 31 also. so, that are his weak players, i don't have any, so i could maybe take advantage of it ?

well, what's the use of this forum when i need to wait 3 days for a simple question ?!

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp ?!!!!!!!!

ok sorry mate just get your message now
am using now 3N-2W (DML/DMR)- 2N-2W-1
i don't have DML/DMR.. but used my LM/RB and had no problem and give them up arrow for those two and give back arrow for CB in centre
counter, both flanks, long balls, normal tackling, defend
that give you six in mid, 5 in back .. best way to dominated 451V

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Originally Posted by shwanko07

ok sorry mate just get your message now
am using now 3N-2W (DML/DMR)- 2N-2W-1
i don't have DML/DMR.. but used my LM/RB and had no problem and give them up arrow for those two and give back arrow for CB in centre
counter, both flanks, long balls, normal tackling, defend
that give you six in mid, 5 in back .. best way to dominated 451V

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Thanks for the advice I will give this a try tonight!

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Originally Posted by realmadridzg

well, what's the use of this forum when i need to wait 3 days for a simple question ?!

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The answers you are seeking are written all other the counter formations threads. Why someone should bother if in 3 days you didn't still notice them nor read? :)

Anyways:

DC DC DC
DMR DML
MC MC MC
ST ST

or

DC DC DC
DMR MDL
MC MC
AMR AML
ST

or (but that's my personal opinion and not a given)

DR DC DR
DMC DMC
MC MC
AMC
ST ST

DC DC DC
DMR DML
MC MC
AMC
ST ST