Playing with the old and the new version (tips or traps)

Now with the new version and some problems it has (like demanding a "powerful" pc system, with 4GB RAM or more :p ), many players are using the old version.
Also I can see that the old version is better for coaching important games.
The new version has the live game which is very interesting to observe the behavior of the players or how formation/orders affects in the game-play and has a lot of fun.
But with the old one, we have in one screen the live rates of the players, stats board, formations, the comments and we can recognize if oppo manager watching the game or what changes he 's doing in the formation of his team.
There are some things that we must be careful about going in the new version, then in the old one to watch a game and back in the new one again.
Making a test in a team I have in lv1 (it was made by mistake :p, but I kept it for experiments and friendly games).
I kept some images from the stats of the players in the new version.
Then I played the game in the old version.
Three players got skill points and the squad of 11, some gaining (the blue bar).
Without giving the sp to my players, I went back to the new version and found that the stats of my players remain the same.
Those 3 sp were lost.
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Then I made a training (actually two), in 3 players who had their gaining bars near the next sp.
The first training with a set of a condition loss about 2,5% and the second with a condition loss about 5.
Those 3 players increased their gaining with the logic of the blue bar (old version) so they improved (won some sp for special ability or in skills). * they aren't fast trainers
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So, what's the conclusion about it :
- If playing the old version and won some sp from training or a game, we must give those sp to our players or else if we 'go in the new version, they 'll be lost.
- The blue bar of progress/gaining, still exists and has some continuance in both versions
- Observing this blue bar before and after making a training in the new version, we can understand the progress of our players and spot the fast trainer or compare the progress.

* if we want to see the blue bar more clear, we must have the 2 or 3 bars option.
** In the old version, a good trainer, loosing a condition of about 15-20% had a gaining of about +100.
It's more or less because also in training there is a roll dice, a more or less successful training by luck.

I found that after I trained players in new version, there will be no skill progress remaining in old version. Now I don't use new version at all.

Thanks for your illustration. But I have not yet fully understand because of my very limited knowledge about the new version.

Very scientific approach ! I am impressed. I only play with the new version. I have the feeling that the bonus thing rules everything. Maybe I am wrong, but I won every single game since the new update, even those who were looking like troll results in the making. I destroyed a cup opponent stronger than me who was present in the game. This never happened to me before. I prefer losing on the training (not even sure to be honest) and winning games. But maybe in a week or so I'll be back here complaining !

I hired a new player in the new version and couldn't see how to set his training level and I assumed that it would be set to "medium" by the game. Then the new version wouldn't load on Facebook so I went into the old version and found that he was set on "rest" so I changed it there. Did I miss something in the new version? I have looked all over but can't find anywhere to set the training levels in the new game. Anyone know this?

Playing games (official or friendlies) in the old version, your player is gaining progress no matter he's in rest. Only in training you have to set him in 2 or 3 bars to gain.
In the new version there is no need to set 2 or 3 bars anymore. It's medium by default.
Only in quick training there are levels.
In the old version also, you can see if your player is a fast trainer or not.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Playing games (official or friendlies) in the old version, your player is gaining progress no matter he's in rest. Only in training you have to set him in 2 or 3 bars to gain.
In the new version there is no need to set 2 or 3 bars anymore. It's medium by default.
Only in quick training there are levels.
In the old version also, you can see if your player is a fast trainer or not.

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Well we can do so in the new version also. If we put drills that in total lose 9% condition and someone gains 2-3%, he should be a fast trainer. I had posted earlier (now deleted) that a fast trainer should gain more than 50 in the bar. Since 25 gain in bar=1%, he should gain 2% in 9% loss therefore 1% in 4.5% loss.

I'm not using old version but after cup defeat today only one from the season will go for that, I had many problems with connection on this match couldn't do what I used to, I'm giving excuse but nobody like to loose, this new training its complicated I never used to train my players before any match always at the end of the day after the matches and I started to feel my team going down of form, today early morning I try to get the bonnus to 10% with the reserves and did a light training with the starting line but I think I messy up with the players they never perform so bad, oh well.

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Originally Posted by Arion

Well we can do so in the new version also. If we put drills that in total lose 9% condition and someone gains 2-3%, he should be a fast trainer. I had posted earlier (now deleted) that a fast trainer should gain more than 50 in the bar. Since 25 gain in bar=1%, he should gain 2% in 9% loss therefore 1% in 4.5% loss.

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yes, that's a way to have some conclusions.
I don't know if some players have a better progress if they 're doing a specific type of training.
For example if a defender has a better progress in a combo with header training.

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I found that after I trained players in new version, there will be no skill progress remaining in old version. Now I don't use new version at all.

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I didn't understand what you mean.
If we set a training in the new version and have some gaining and then we go to the old one, the blue bar is reset ?
If you mean that, I don't think so.
I have a player, he is a scout list player who now is a (early) 7* player, so he isn't fast trainer.
After a game, he won MoM, and a +7.
4 of them was from MoM (the old +1 sp) so the other 3 must be from the gaining of the game.
But that mean the blue bar cannot be empty as this player couldn't earn so much progress in a game.
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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I didn't understand what you mean.
If we set a training in the new version and have some gaining and then we go to the old one, the blue bar is reset ?
If you mean that, I don't think so.
I have a player, he is a scout list player who now is a (early) 7* player, so he isn't fast trainer.
After a game, he won MoM, and a +7.
4 of them was from MoM (the old +1 sp) so the other 3 must be from the gaining of the game.
But that mean the blue bar cannot be empty as this player couldn't earn so much progress in a game.
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I cannot exactly remember what I have done in new version. Most likely I have trained my players. When I returned to old version, I clearly remember the training progress bar of all players are empty in old version. I did not further investigate but cease to use new version to avoid losing training progress.

Though there is no sp now in new version, I believe that it still need to store training progress for training effort which is insufficient to add at least 1% to some attribute. I really don't understand.

Yes, the blue bar is reset everytime i enter the old version after training in the new version

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Originally Posted by Alan Solis

Yes, the blue bar is reset everytime i enter the old version after training in the new version

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ah, yes, that's more clear.
If you go just back and forth, the blue bar of progress remains the same.
If you train in the new version and go back to the old, the blue bar is reset ?


don't know, I just test it.
I had some progress in the old one, in the blue bar
went in the new version , did a train two twice, for a single player
then back to the old version but the gaining progress was the same (for the other players).
They didn't lost it. Maybe after the daily server maintenance ?

I don't know, if you look at this picture a few players have progress in the bar, but the rest of them are empty. I did some training in the new version, but the progress that it shows is the one from the game that i played hours before. I really don't know how it works.

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Originally Posted by Alan Solis

I don't know, if you look at this picture a few players have progress in the bar, but the rest of them are empty. I did some training in the new version, but the progress that it shows is the one from the game that i played hours before. I really don't know how it works.

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Is your match played with old version? Probably, the figures which show training progress obtained in match only connected to old version match playing system.

Did the remaining training progresses as shown in bar obtain from training through new system? According to my memory, the bar deleted all remaining progress in those bar when I returned to old system after training in new system. My case seems different, but my memory may be wrong as I completely cease to use new version for several days.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

yes, that's a way to have some conclusions.
I don't know if some players have a better progress if they 're doing a specific type of training.
For example if a defender has a better progress in a combo with header training.

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But it can be a lot random. Recently one of my players gained 10% skill in 12% condition loss. And sometimes you gain none (talking about U21).

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Originally Posted by Arion

But it can be a lot random. Recently one of my players gained 10% skill in 12% condition loss. And sometimes you gain none (talking about U21).

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I've noticed that the first training after a match I didn't watch gives a lot of % (25% with 22 players on 1st drill today). Maybe match progress from games you didn't watch is translated to that first training?

also depending from the gaining ability of some players (slow or fast trainers) as from the luck.
training also has a roll dice.
In some training (old version), a fast trainer could hit a +115 and in another a +85

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Very scientific approach ! I am impressed. I only play with the new version. I have the feeling that the bonus thing rules everything. Maybe I am wrong, but I won every single game since the new update, even those who were looking like troll results in the making. I destroyed a cup opponent stronger than me who was present in the game. This never happened to me before. I prefer losing on the training (not even sure to be honest) and winning games. But maybe in a week or so I'll be back here complaining !

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Hi,

for sure it will be a much harder life for troll teams,since at least 2 training sessions are required to have your team prepared for next match.

With old version and the old,useless and draining training strategy (I never used), abandoned teams often gave us a bad surprise,and they even qualifiy to champions league.....

It was time that a rule were established vs this nonsense: why managing teams,otherwise?

Of course best results in new vwrsion are based on good strategies you had in old one.

Since in old version I was not used to train my team,I used to play lot of friendlies,even vs higher level teams.
Now,that I found a more complete and rational training strategy,there is no more space for friendlies,apart if I want to earn rests vs weaker friends...

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Since in old version I was not used to train my team,I used to play lot of friendlies,even vs higher level teams.
Now,that I found a more complete and rational training strategy,there is no more space for friendlies,apart if I want to earn rests vs weaker friends...

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well, that's a disadvantage because with the old version you could play friendlies, players gaining progress and the team earned some good money (for higher levels with a big stadium).
The problem with the new version is that with friendlies players still gaining but you don't have any progress about the level of the drills.

Another useful tip is what I 'm doing after a game with the old version.
I go in training section and making a sort for the players, about the blue bar.
Then I pick the players who have the blue bar near the next sp and give them a training (in 2 bars), so to earn it and sign it where I want to. So there is no problem if I go back and return from the new version.

Maybe its a dumb question but how do u start up the old version.. Is it still on facebook or do u have to download and old app?

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Originally Posted by Mattsson

Maybe its a dumb question but how do u start up the old version.. Is it still on facebook or do u have to download and old app?

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https://apps.facebook.com/topeleven/old/

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Originally Posted by Mattsson

Maybe its a dumb question but how do u start up the old version.. Is it still on facebook or do u have to download and old app?

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www.topeleven.com/play-old
For me the Top Eleven website is faster than FB.

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Originally Posted by Arion

Play Top Eleven - Free Online Football Manager Game
For me the Top Eleven website is faster than FB.

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I know it has been a while since last post, but I would like to ask if there is still an option to play top eleven in old version? That two URL links above are not working and I've been thinking if there is a new URL or something.
I apologize for my english and thanks for help

no, the latest chance you could play T11 in mobile was with puffin browser but now it's not available there too.
Same at pc too.