trues and myths about top eleven

[giomanda]

Hi guys.

Me and the people at work are playing top eleven with great pleasure for the past 2 months and we occasionally wonder - argue on certain things about the Game.

Some of us is thinking that the game rules are provably adapt real life`s football and some other think that it is, and has the rules of just a database software.

So, here i am to address our arguments as to what is true and what is a myth hopping to get some answers.

1) The changing formation "thingy"
I read very often here in the forum about changing formation according to the opponent hence i tried to change my formation almost in every match according to the opponents weakness. So were is the argue? Well...is it wise to change your formation on every single game in order to gain advantage? I mean, if you think in real life football none team does that. They play a particular formation with particular re-positioning and just on a few occasions they slightly change their formation but not to a completely different formation.

Does it matter in the game if you change your formation all time?
Will your team in top eleven will perform the same no matter what the formation?
If you keep your formation in top eleven, does this mean that your team will learn the formation and use it well?

2) A player that can play on two positions

We see that there are players in top eleven that can play two positions. We often see a player that plays two positions and we find another player that plays the same position by the position display order is different. What i mean:

player1
[AML][MC]

player2
[MC][AML]

Does the above make any difference between player 1 and player 2?
Does this means that this is "primary/secondary" position?
If yes, then does this indicates that the player1 will perform better in the AML position compared to player2?

3) The app arrow with secondary position myth.
Lets assume that you have a player that can play two positions [ML][AML]. You position the player on the pitch in the position [ML] and you give him an up arrow which means that the player will be more offensive and he will move towards thea area of am AML. In other words

----/\
---/ |-\
-----|
----ML
--player1 ----------(player can play positions [ML] [AML]

Does it make any difference that player1 can also play the [AML] position hence when he is in offence he will be in an area that he also knows how to perform.

Assuming player2 can play on positions [ML] [DML], would player2 perform the same as player1?

4) The same country myth.

Will your team perform better if most of the players are from the same country?






Well hope i am not opening the pandora`s box and that you guys will clear out our argues.

Thanks!

[SimplySimon]

1.

In real life, the top teams change formation more often than you would think. You can use prozone data stats to see this, by selecting average position. This is usually a subtle change - for example the full backs push forward more and the DM drops back, changing a 4132 into a 352. This takes very tactically aware players to achieve

In T11 it seems that changing your formation regularly has no negative effect, or at least leaving your players in the same formation doesn't have a very positive effect

Really, this corresponds to the way you have to play the game. In the real world, most of the first team stays with you for season after season. In T11, you are changing players all the time to get better ones once you are promoted to a new level. For obvious reasons, Nordeus will not be inclined to give you a bonus for not buying new players

2.

First off, a player has to play adjacent positions so you can't have someone who is MC/AML. I think this is a shame, because again in the real world you can be a specialist winger, so you might play as AML/R

But in answer to your question I can see no difference between a DM/ML and M/AML in the role you describe, which I have tested over the last 4 seasons. In other words it is not primary/secondary positions - if it says they can play there it doesn't matter what order the positions are listed in

3. As with the above, I've seen no discernible difference between a player with an arrow moving into a position he knows and a player who doesn't know that position - the important thing is he knows the position he is in

You can also put a player into a position he doesn't know and he might play well. Nothing I've ever seen or read on the game is clear as to what the penalties are for this. It's probably a minor possession penalty, or possibly it's factored into the game engine in another way but nobody is certain. There are many cases of teams with players all out of position, and even increasingly in 'illegal' formations, who still play well

4.

Again, nothing supports this idea. I am based in England and at one point changed a lot of player nationalities, more because I like to see players from your home country in your team than because I thought it would help performance. I didn't notice any difference. Considering that you can change the nationality easily in this way, I would hope it doesn't matter what you change it to


Hope that helps your office debates :-)

[SimplySimon]

Oh, and also I would think they are trying to emulate some of the elements of real life soccer, but it is of course just a database simulation - no software on earth would be capable of calculating all the variables involved in real world football!

[jklm_37]

1 - you occasionally have to change your formation to counter your opponents...simple...it's football...

2 - personally i try to buy young players that can play in at least two positions...saves room on the bench, is handy for injuries and saves you from having to pour lots of tokens into giving them the other position...

3 - arrows have always been a part of my game...if used correctly they can be the difference between winning and loosing...trust me...

4 - ive never even heard of that myself but it does sound like a myth...

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[Raykco]

The only time I change my formation is if I have injuries or suspensions and don't have the players to cover. Even then, I would rather play another player out of position rather than mess with the formation.

I never change my tactics according to my opponents. I never worry about them, let them worry about me.

[jklm_37]

I never worry about them, let them worry about me.

That's an excellent way to look at it! ...

[SimplySimon]

The only time I change my formation is if I have injuries or suspensions and don't have the players to cover. Even then, I would rather play another player out of position rather than mess with the formation.

I never change my tactics according to my opponents. I never worry about them, let them worry about me.

Same here, counters are over rated - perhaps even more so after recent changes

[giomanda]

Oh, and also I would think they are trying to emulate some of the elements of real life soccer, but it is of course just a database simulation - no software on earth would be capable of calculating all the variables involved in real world football!

1 - you occasionally have to change your formation to counter your opponents...simple...it's football...

2 - personally i try to buy young players that can play in at least two positions...saves room on the bench, is handy for injuries and saves you from having to pour lots of tokens into giving them the other position...

3 - arrows have always been a part of my game...if used correctly they can be the difference between winning and loosing...trust me...

4 - ive never even heard of that myself but it does sound like a myth...

...

The only time I change my formation is if I have injuries or suspensions and don't have the players to cover. Even then, I would rather play another player out of position rather than mess with the formation.

I never change my tactics according to my opponents. I never worry about them, let them worry about me.

Thanks alot guys for your replays.

That did help alot

all the best

[dimdim1]

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1)i used to counter in first 3 l,now almost never.The leagues are full of bots and inactive teams so no use to do it.You play 5-6 serious games per season max in ur league and 2-4 max for the CL(no cup for me since they changed it).
So from what i have seen after 4 L playing the same formation almost my 90% of my games nope...no bother to count ur opponent.
But for the 10 max serious games per season yes i do counter ,i make some adjustments BUT i am sticked to my 4-5-1v style as my power are my wings..So i set up mixed formations around it with focus to my wings.(3-5-2V,4-2-2-2,4-2-1-2-1)...
i take notice for example if the opponent plays with no MR-L or AMR-L,or if he plays with DMC etc.

2-3)i think that a AML-L scores mores than a DML-L,but i have no proof of that.My wings are both AMR-Ls(R-L) than DMR-Ls ,they score almost the 60% of my goals so I can imagine they are better from a DML-R.
i have no clue about the DR-C (i think they perform the same in both positions ,i have seen some differences for the DMC-DM..some of them have better statistics playing DC and some at DMC.

as for arrows i think they do sometimes but i can't also proove it..Myabe it's my imagination that the arrows gave me the result or it was just random


4)Myth

[sdw]

For 25 seasons I realised that when you often change your formations,the performance of your players is not too good.And I realised another thing.I like 2-3-4 formations that I use regularly.Some seasons I have success with one formation and I failed with another.Next season is vice versa when I bought some new players in the same positions.
Some players who are DML.ML are trained more at defensive and physical skills,not so much at attacking.ML/AML is vice versa.If you have DML,ML and you like to use red arrows on ML,train him at attacking and physical,and not so much at defensive.
Not so many people realised that primary/secondary positions has matter.There is no matter about the order "DC/DMC" or "DMC/DC".I've just seen difference of performance of some of my players.I have scout player who is DC/DMC.When he is defender he always plays with 7-8-9 rating.When he is DMC he always playes with 6,max 7 rate.
The fourth doesn't matter.