Tanking teams and association matchups

I have a query for Nordeus on how the association matchups work.
We are going to face an association tomorrow where every single team has tanked last season.
Check their trophy hauls from last season!!!
Each team is percentage-wise stronger than ours and this already brings down our chances of qualifying for 1-2 matchup.
Since we have been getting such screwed matchups for the last 4 weeks now, our association which was on the brink of qualifying for Platinum, will now be struggling to even hold onto Gold1.
These kind of matchups are not fair for honest players who gain promotion every season and want to continue to play that way.
I believe something needs to be done from Nordeus to avoid tankers from spoiling the association tournaments for others.
Possible remedies:
1. Teams that do not promote are not eligible for association matches.
2. Deduct 20% on all teams irrespective of whether they promote or not.

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If you are promoted you lose 20%, if you tank, you will win 20%...no logic...
Maybe yes, if you are promoted you lose 20% and if you don't, then lose 10%-20% ... that seems fair.

@k1tb
I feel you should lose 20% no matter what, at the end of every season.
This will take all the fun out of tanking and I am sure will reduce the tanking teams by a huge number!!!
This will also help in addressing the argument of "what do you gain by progressing to next level".
You unlock higher level players who cannot be bought by a team that tanked.
There has to be some sort of punishment for underperforming and a reduction of quality for your players fits the bill for me :)

And we all meet at the max league lvl and only there we can see, who is the best manager :D

The problem is not the tanking, the problem is that the match-up is not fair - this avg of 6 teams.
A group of six 6* teams playing vs two 9* teams and four 5* teams.
Also a team with 11 8* players is not the same with a team with 22 8* (who loans to the other members).
If I have 14 8* players and I 'm playing vs a team which has also 14 8* players, why would I care if he is tanking or not ?

To get the 8* teams, I assume one would have to tank now that the association exploit via greens is fixed.
Please correct me if Im wrong with this cause I have never made it to a 8* team.
My team always finishes the season as a low to mid 7* team and back to 6* team when the new season starts.
So, why should someone who tries to exploit the system get benefit from it and retain the stars.

6* team at the beginning of the season? :O

I have never had a 7* team and also never had an 8* player.

I have max 6* team and not even close to 7* team, but asso seems too random, so I don't take it too serious. Anyone can lose to anyone...
Asso is way different from league, cup and league...

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To get the 8* teams, I assume one would have to tank now that the association exploit via greens is fixed.
Please correct me if I m wrong with this cause I have never made it to a 8* team.

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yes, you 're correct.
The 8* was an example. Sometimes can be 9*, sometimes can be 7*.

So, what ιs the q of your oppo ?

3 of the teams are mid to high 7* and other 3 are mid to high 6 stars.
Our association has 1 7* team(121%) and others are 6 stars (low to mid).
We do have a chance against them, but the point is, they have the advantage of training their players for atleast 35 days without losing a star, whereas we have had only 7!!

There are many duels like this and believe me, nothing will be changed...there will be and there are unfair tournaments...

The irony of tanking is that by tanking managers increase the probability of playing against tankers (or other monster teams). Been there and seen many previously very successful associations, get demolished by bringing their quality up to the range where the draws are filled with teams that have either tanked, bought many tokens, stacked conditions from farming, or used the loan exploit. Playing with a 7* average is a very different animal than playing with a 5* or 6* average.

The advantage of tanking isn't when that manager has an 8* team, its when that managers players quality reduces to a 6* or below quality average when they'll have massive skews to the stats and now be playing against teams w/o such skews most often. At low quality average, if u have skewed 5*/6* players and get a bad draw, due to a large number of gray stats around 20% or so, it's actually easier to upset a higher quality opponent as well.

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Originally Posted by gamer5289

3 of the teams are mid to high 7* and other 3 are mid to high 6 stars.
Our association has 1 7* team(121%) and others are 6 stars (low to mid).
We do have a chance against them, but the point is, they have the advantage of training their players for atleast 35 days without losing a star, whereas we have had only 7!!

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ok, this is not very fair draw but what tanking has to do with that :confused:
if they were playing normally, it would be fair ?

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You got me there Nik.
I certainly would not have a cause for complain there if all of them were playing normally.
But, if all teams were playing normally, we would not have many teams near 130% in 1st week, which would result in better draws in the association.
I can accept 1 maybe 2 bad matchups a season, but the way the association draws have been working against us, I feel it would be better to be a 5 star team rather than go to 6 or 7 stars and face these monster teams.

This brings me to another point.
When I look at my association standings, I see only 2 6 star teams.
All others are 4/5* associations.
If we are competing for the same global standings, why dont we get a chance at these other teams?
All in all, just feel that a lot of "fairness" measures can be accounted for, in the way the association draws are made.
Just like how we have a league composed of 4/5/6/7 star teams, we need these matchups to be similar - few tough matchups and few easy ones too :)

let me give you an example what it isn't fair (about tanking and asso draws)
This group, has two teams with very high q (they built their teams with asso loans).
Those teams are keeping their q with tanking.

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That group might play with another which doesn't have so high quality like Yaya's team but similar avg q.
Yaya (and the other team) are loaning three 9* to the other group mates and they getting stronger too.
This group should play with another with the same roster teams and not avg of the 6 teams.
That's not fair.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

The problem is not the tanking, the problem is that the match-up is not fair - this avg of 6 teams.
A group of six 6* teams playing vs two 9* teams and four 5* teams.
Also a team with 11 8* players is not the same with a team with 22 8* (who loans to the other members).
If I have 14 8* players and I 'm playing vs a team which has also 14 8* players, why would I care if he is tanking or not ?

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You got it spot on.
We have been facing such opponents and thats what fuels the frustration.
The root of it all is a few teams that work around the system and spoil the fun for others.
All I am saying is lets level the playing field.
Lets find a way to have teams play their best in every match and not lose on purpose.
20% reduction as a default on every team, irrespective of promotion or not, seems fair enough.

And cheaters,exploiters etc still exist.
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I don't see tanking as too much of a problem in league, cup and champions. It's a reflection of what happens in the real world when a team gets relegated. The relegated team will usually be stronger than the teams in the division they fall into, but this doesn't automatically guarantee success.
However where I think tanking will become an issue just as big as the loan exploit for rest packs is in associations.
Imagine 3 managers running 2 teams each, all in the same association. Each manager uses their 2nd team ONLY to boost their associations chances of success. Build up their 2nd teams by tanking for 2 or 3 seasons and they have 7 and 8 star players to spare.
10 seasons in platinum nets 1000 tokens plus around 30 per season. Total 1300 tokens.
10 seasons farming rests would net 7-9000 rest packs.
After 10 seasons of tanking, but with old 8 star players they can go straight to the scout list and buy a new squad. And have plenty of rest packs to train them up.
Meanwhile each of their 1st teams reap the rewards of being boosted by 100 tokens a season through staying in the platinum division of associations.
The new exploit?

So there is a group with 3 normal 6* teams and 3 8* teams-tankers (the reserves).
But with that mix, the group could play with another stronger group, with 3 teams of 9*-10* players and 3 5* players.
As the asso games are not very stable, easily they could loose.
(also having the disadvantage of double coaching).

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After 10 seasons of tanking, but with old 8 star players they can go straight to the scout list and buy a new squad. And have plenty of rest packs to train them up.

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ok, and they can keep a super team for two seasons ?
With a risk of playing vs a strong team of a +1 lv in the Cup or in the CH.L. ?
For what then ? An easy league ?
Loosing 10 seasons for (not secure) 2 or 3 successful seasons ?
Doesn't look a good investment for me.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

let me give you an example what it isn't fair (about tanking and asso draws)
This group, has two teams with very high q (they built their teams with asso loans).
Those teams are keeping their q with tanking.

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That group might play with another which doesn't have so high quality like Yaya's team but similar avg q.
Yaya (and the other team) are loaning three 9* to the other group mates and they getting stronger too.
This group should play with another with the same roster teams and not avg of the 6 teams.
That's not fair.

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Nik, that Chinese lady applied to Noel's association while I was in that one (i'm an association jumper, not gonna lie). I was a little disappointing we didn't add her team at first, but later learned that they're probably leaving their association to try and join others they could face for the purpose of scouting! I don't have a problem with it, since it's all gamemanship, but its good for people to be aware. Knowing the opponents orders/preferred play-style has been a big assist for me in h2h matchups in the past in my experience (happened 3 times).

yes I know, I 've seen Yaya in another group.

Oh my god this is the return of the professional moaners about tanking looool

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Originally Posted by gamer5289

I have a query for Nordeus on how the association matchups work.
We are going to face an association tomorrow where every single team has tanked last season.
Check their trophy hauls from last season!!!
Each team is percentage-wise stronger than ours

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Give proof of that !

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Originally Posted by k1tb

If you are promoted you lose 20%, if you tank, you will win 20%...no logic...
Maybe yes, if you are promoted you lose 20% and if you don't, then lose 10%-20% ... that seems fair.

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You win nothing ! Stop writing silly things and try to think before , thank you guy !

AH just one thing , you can still moaning about this , you loose your time and your energy cause :

1- don't let the possibility of a team to not compete in asso games is not possible and 200% sure nordeus won't do that !

2-Decrease 20% of all players if promote or not , i think you still believe in santa claus looooool

k1tb & Kaizer Franz, your posts have been deleted.
Please stay in the rules of the forum.

First of all this thread is just a re-thread of this one : https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-managers.html

Then , there is on this forum usual pro - moaners who moan about tankers and also insult me of tokens buyer only based on my signature ! CRAP

eternal unsatisfacted people really make this forum worst and worst day after day ! If you are not a tanker , you are a token buyer !It's really crazy !!!!


Then you have this ( but read the previous thread , link above ) :

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So , it is proof that tanking is not a big advantage on CHL if you look at the trophy of the teams who faced Gamers54321 's FA group ^^ And no need of tanking to take advantage in the cup if you are not a newbie ^^

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Originally Posted by Altiplano

It's a reflection of what happens in the real world when a team gets relegated. The relegated team will usually be stronger than the teams in the division they fall into, but this doesn't automatically guarantee success.

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Talking about real life, relegated team should lose some of their best players because good players usually escape from sinking ship. Hehe

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

The problem is not the tanking, the problem is that the match-up is not fair - this avg of 6 teams.
A group of six 6* teams playing vs two 9* teams and four 5* teams.

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Remember one important thing Niko : those four 5* teams could only get three loan of 9* players , so it makes 8 players 5 stars with 3 players 9 stars against 11 players 6* , and you give up ????? I think that the four 6* teams have their chances .

Remember that ok the two 9* teams will probably take 12 points but the 4 others teams are not 100% sure to take 6 points each , they could take only 1 or 0 points , so i put the finger on one very important points : the quality of the managers of the whole 6 teams , make sure that all your 6 teams are good teams , look at the top 100 ,especially the number one Dom ru Club . It is exactly what i say , a group of 6 teams same quality average with good managrrs and good players on the pitch , here is the hard core of everything !!! It is possible ! Never give up , stop complain and focus on the whole 6 teams of your FA group , maybe you have to make adjustement in your own side before complaining of what the opponents are doing , just my 2 cent 😉