Is the system computing the right quality during the live matches?

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11-20-2017
Jean.Monico

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Is the system computing the right quality during the live matches?

I have some reasons to believe the system is computing the wrong strengths (quality) of the teams.

Since this new update, I saw something strange.
A friend called me to watch his match and support him (+2%) cause his opponent was stronger than him (like 10% more). When I got into the screen where I choose which team to support, my friend's team was shown as much stronger than his opponent. It was a surprise for me. And he easily won the match.

I didn't record these numbers, but I started paying attention to other matches and I saved some screenshots. Take a look with attention and tell me if there's something wrong.

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Is it related to the "3 troll results" I had in a row or the game just wanted to troll me at all? (2 of those 3 teams are inactive - they have no manager)

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Another bug is that I always leave my team with 97-99% condition before the match starts. But in the formation screen, the condition bar of some players (maybe half of my team) is being shown like they are on "80%" condition. So I click on the player to check it and he is fine, with 99%. (I will screenshot it before the next match)
11-21-2017
Jean.Monico

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I have a better proof of what I'm trying to say.
The first screenshot is my friend's screen, a few minutes before the match starts against an inactive opponent.
The 2nd screenshot is mine, where I gone to the match to support him. Take a look at the differences.

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There's something really wrong. And, btw, the match ended 0-0. My friend was totally trolled ;p
11-21-2017
nikolgiorgos

- about q, it has to do with calculating 11 or 14 or the whole team (you can do some experiments by switching your players and finding the avg quality)

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the match ended 0-0. My friend was totally trolled

q50 (80%) VS q54,2 (96%) , score 0-0
hmm, you can't say that a troll.
Mostly a bad day or wrong coaching I guess

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Another bug is that I always leave my team with 97-99% condition before the match starts. But in the formation screen, the condition bar of some players (maybe half of my team) is being shown like they are on "80%" condition. So I click on the player to check it and he is fine, with 99%. (I will screenshot it before the next match)

I agree but it's not exactly a bug.
I would call that a bad visualization of TE 2018 (and it's not the only one, specially in browser version).
11-21-2017
Jean.Monico

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

- about q, it has to do with calculating 11 or 14 or the whole team (you can do some experiments by switching your players and finding the avg quality)

Yes, it's true what you've said. But I mean, in this thread, that looks like some teams are being "nerfed" and some others are being "buffed". My english sux and sometimes I cant write exactly what I really mean hehe
Take a look at this BUM BAM (52.2). Looks like he was "buffed". Hope it's only a visual thing and it's not messing with the calculations during the simulations.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

q50 (80%) VS q54,2 (96%) , score 0-0
hmm, you can't say that a troll.
Mostly a bad day or wrong coaching I guess

Maybe it's a bad day. This AJU is a long period friend and I bet he is managing well. By the other side, as I see, this Cunha is a manager that looks like he doesnt even log in to give training to the team. Totally inactive.

The problem is that these "bad days" seems to be too much common after the update. Looks like you have no longer any control. My team is already on the 3rd day of "unstoppable crisis". No matter what I do, I can control the match but I can't win (and I'm talking about inactive opponents). I saw a lot of threads reporting similar things. It's, at least, strange hehe.
And look, if a big % of the matches results are being controlled by this "bad day", "crisis", etc., so they changed something in the equations and the game became "too much random". I think it's fine to have 1 or 2 or 3 trolls per season. But the season has just started and I already have more than that. ;/

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I agree but it's not exactly a bug.
I would call that a bad visualization of TE 2018 (and it's not the only one, specially in browser version).

I'll hope it's only a bad visualization and the calculations are computing the right numbers hehe

Anyway, thanks that you came here and showed your opinion. Hope your team doesn't get under what mine does.
11-22-2017
KenoticFC

Nice post. I have always suspected something similar myself but could never find the right words to put it on a post, plus Nordeus doesn't care to listen no matter how passionate we are about their game.

I always had regular bad results against teams against whom I was '' favorite'' and no problems against those of similar quality. Example, everytime I would face a 75% team with my 115% team I would have trouble. I always thought the game maybe read my team quality differently.
11-22-2017
Lian

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Originally Posted by Jean.Monico

I have a better proof of what I'm trying to say.
The first screenshot is my friend's screen, a few minutes before the match starts against an inactive opponent.
The 2nd screenshot is mine, where I gone to the match to support him. Take a look at the differences.

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There's something really wrong. And, btw, the match ended 0-0. My friend was totally trolled ;p

Hi @Jean.Monico

The first screenshot of your friend is comparing his team quality to his opponents. And your screenshots is comparing your team quality with the quality of both teams that are playing against each other which is why it can not be the same.
11-22-2017
Jean.Monico

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Originally Posted by KenoticFC

Nice post. I have always suspected something similar myself but could never find the right words to put it on a post, plus Nordeus doesn't care to listen no matter how passionate we are about their game.

Yes, there are some strange things that we feel that are happening, but we can't get enough data to turn these feelings into numbers.

Just to emphasize, on the screenshots I posted, there is a match between my team 107% against a 54% team. This oppponent is inactive, no training, nothing. My team was trained, full morale and conditions above 95%. I was playing 451Vstyle down flanks. He was playing 3N-1DMC-3W-1AMC-2.
This match should be some sort of Real Madrid full motivated and prepared against a team of some old friends that got some beers and burgers before they gone play the match. And it was still a draw lol.

Anyway, after 4 "strange days", my team seemed to play normal today. Let's see what happens next.

I also opened a support via android, talking about it, but I still got no answer from them (I believe they are facing many complaints after the update, so maybe it takes longer to give me a response).
11-22-2017
Jean.Monico

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Originally Posted by Lian

Hi @Jean.Monico

The first screenshot of your friend is comparing his team quality to his opponents. And your screenshots is comparing your team quality with the quality of both teams that are playing against each other which is why it can not be the same.

Thanks for the answer Lian. Me and my friend are same level, so I see no reason it to be shown as different numbers. I confess I'm really worried about it
11-23-2017
Jean.Monico

Ok, after all I believe Lian wrote anything non-sense here just for this thread to be marked as "responded", while I'm here worried about it.

Will you give me an appropriate answer or what?
11-24-2017
gamer5289

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Originally Posted by Lian

Hi @Jean.Monico

The first screenshot of your friend is comparing his team quality to his opponents. And your screenshots is comparing your team quality with the quality of both teams that are playing against each other which is why it can not be the same.

You got to be kidding me mate.
I guess we would expect a much better answer from an admin!!!
The numbers shown here are ABSOLUTE Quality...not PERCENTAGE quality .
No matter whose perspective you look at it from, ABSOLUTE quality remains the same.
I have observed this many times where the quality shown on match screen before I support someone does not match the average of the 11 players on the pitch.
This is definitely a bug that might be leading to some troll results.
11-24-2017
Jean.Monico

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Originally Posted by gamer5289

You got to be kidding me mate.
I guess we would expect a much better answer from an admin!!!
The numbers shown here are ABSOLUTE Quality...not PERCENTAGE quality .
No matter whose perspective you look at it from, ABSOLUTE quality remains the same.
I have observed this many times where the quality shown on match screen before I support someone does not match the average of the 11 players on the pitch.
This is definitely a bug that might be leading to some troll results.

That's what I believe it's happening. They are computing the wrong numbers and leading us to some strange results :s
And even after reading many times, I can't understand what Lian meant to say ;P
11-27-2017
Lian

Hi guys,

The match preview shows the quality of your starting XI players while the quality on the supporting screen is showing the quality of the whole team with all the subs and reserves.
11-27-2017
Jean.Monico

Ty. Now it's explained
12-04-2017
USARABAT

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Originally Posted by Lian

Hi guys,

The match preview shows the quality of your starting XI players while the quality on the supporting screen is showing the quality of the whole team with all the subs and reserves.

are you saying indirectly that 3 and 4 stars reserves may affect negatively our chances to win ?
12-04-2017
herohamada97

imust say that you are so wrong my brother its fine here try to reinstall the game
and another thing dont blame that copration if your team cant win a match peace
12-04-2017
Jean.Monico

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

are you saying indirectly that 3 and 4 stars reserves may affect negatively our chances to win ?

Humm.
As per what Lian said, it's just a "bad visualization" thing. So it shouldn't affect the match simulation.
12-06-2017
Sparta Page

It's better to make it simple and consistent every where, only show the top 11 quality.
12-06-2017
gamer5289

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

are you saying indirectly that 3 and 4 stars reserves may affect negatively our chances to win ?

Doesnt seem that way.
The match engine just uses the on-field players to simulate......at least thats what we hope ;)

It would be good to change the display to show only the selected 11 as suggested by Sparta.
12-07-2017
Jean.Monico

Totally agree with Sparta