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Messi is way more better, even Maradona admit it. The only difference is that Maradona won WC but Messi was very close too.
Well, no, Messi never will be closer Diego like a futbol player.Maradona have magic, i have 44 years old and i see Maradona playing here in Argentina, and i see he playing in Mexico 89, Italy 90 and USA 94. Maradona was a drug addict who had not used drugs had been even better than he was.Maradona could do anything with the ball from anywhere, even from a tile.Messi only do the same in all matches.Messi plays in Barcelona with the best team ever.Maradona plays in Napoli and with him Napoli was champion for first time in history.Messi makes goals, records.Maradona makes futbol
He was drug addicted indeed, maybe that's why he was able to keep it at a high level, at that time was really hard to find peoples who use to take drogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gus Alejandro
Let's take facts
Maradona scored how many goals in europa? Less then 150 if I am not wrong in over 12/13 years, Messi have double in a shorter time.
Messi scored more goals then him for Argentina and still he can play easy 5 more years at Argentina.
Between a World CUP and 3 Champions League all pro players will go for 3 CL titles.
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I don't want to be rude but I don't understand people who are saying that Messi and Ronaldo are not footballer or legends, I guess you must die or retire to be a legend no?
I don't like or even hate Maradona. But he is the best. Athletic's Andoni Goikoetxea is still my idol because of his tackle on Maradona.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gus Alejandro
It's hard to explain or argue with those who have not watched his performance. He is not a striker. He is more a playmaker. So his performance cannot be simply judged by no. of goals.
Messi is a great futbol player, the best today, im Argentino, but Maradona was better, much better, and no for the drugs, the drugs destroy Maradona, he only plays futbol in the high level since 1976-1991, then no more.And he have only 30 years old in 1991.And when he has 25 years old was world champion in Mexico 86. Messi playing with a better Argentina Team than the team of 86, was unable to win the championship.Maradona makes final in Italy 90 , playing alone in one leg.No more to say
Here you are very wrong, yes Argentina may have a better team then 86 Argentina but don't compare now days Argentina with 2014 Germany or 2010 Argentina with 2014 Spain is a big quality difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gus Alejandro
My question is, how do you know Maradona is even better then god?
Sorry I still think Gerd Müller was better. Even Pelé (who is truly the best, EVER. Maybe you are old enough to have seen him too) gave Gerd respect.
He got pretty much a goal an appearance, like Pele. Maradonna, about half. Messi might get close, I would for sure say is current best.
(from wiki, btw): "Müller is now eleventh on the list of all time international goalscorers despite playing fewer matches than every other player in the top 25"
"According to the IFFHS, Pelé is the most successful league goal scorer in the world, with 541 league goals.[17] In total Pelé scored 1281 goals in 1363 games, including unofficial friendlies and tour games, for which he was listed in the Guinness World Records for most career goals scored in football."
anyone can't do what they did to .. messi , C. Ronaldo .
also , last one didn't do as they did .
goals & numbers & levels is says.
Diego Maradona has been played in easy defenders time
but, messi playing in strong defenders time and also ronaldo .
Jim Baxter could drink ever one of them under the table.
Can't compare player from the 60th to now... football changed a lot,Pele in days like now wouldn't be that successfull,football now is harder ,faster n whatever... Besides that ,pele never played in Europe ,so far not to compare to any other....yea,Gerd Müller was sure a goal machine,but for him counts same as for pele,in the 70 the football was very slow n not to compare to now,there are many players u can name ,and I think there's non best of all time,there's only a few not 1 who dominated in their times, there are too many to list,Eusebio,Di Stefano,Puskas.... these guys were active 60 years ago n sure not less powerful n talented as player later o nowadays....
You are right it's not directly comparable, butI think either of the two I mention, had they been born in whatever decade, would have excelled, because they would have then had the same nutrition and training players had at that time, and possessed talent and determination. :D
I disagree only with that haha cause player like Müller,in Germany his nickname was "Kleines dickes Müller" it's like short fat Müller,cause of his body structure,n cause he was only standing in front of the goal n scored cause fantastic instinct,but nowadays this kind of striker is dying ,a classic 9 middle striker is very rare,now they much more involved in the game,last striker with an instinct like him was Brazilian Ronaldo,who is actually my favourite of not worlds best but 1994 till 2002 decade . With pele I give u credit,it's just I don't like him but ofc respect what he's done!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Harrison
I don't like Ronaldo from Portugal haha but he could sure play a fantastic Central defender as well cause of his body structure,he's a good player I think but dont like haha:p
But if Gerd was player of today his coach wouldn't let him be fat, and those "burst of speed" muscles of his would be better toned... He was a joy to watch though. :D
Kuba is built somewhat the same and does alright, so there is still room for the short stocky players in today's game.
I just couldn't let a thread with title "best player of all time" not include them. I am old enough to have watched them on tv and when I was a kid I thought they were the most amazing ever and that opinion is hard to change. :)
You just cant compare. Some of those old great players might not have made it on to a football pitch if they were born these days - they'd be too busy on the Playstation. ;)
What I understand from here is that that Maradona is better then Messi because he won World CUP but am I wrong if I'm saying that Pele is 3 times better then him because he won 3 WC's!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gus Alejandro
Modern Football is faster, harder, stronger and more tactics than old days. I don't think that legends can do better than Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo at this time. You see, Messi and C.Ronaldo break many records easily. Ten years ago, do you think someone score 60-70 goals a season at world class?
I agree with you an old team would be smashed these days. I don't think Maradona would be able to do what Ronaldo and Messi are doing nowdays!Quote:
Originally Posted by padrino