[QUOTE=CIBlue;150584I have also seen many teams using 4-1-2-1-2 ND losing against a team of equal or slightly worse quality using 4-5-1 V. Also some teams using 4-1-2-1-2 ND barely beating a team of significantly worse quality using 4-5-1 V.

Anyone notice this or have thoughts about it?[/QUOTE]

The 4-5-1 V-style was a counter to ND, so it's not strange.
It doesn't work (for me) anymore, so i use 3-5-2 V against ND now.

I've seen people complaining about the V-style, recently.
I looks like in your server it still works, as a counter to ND, but it doesn't as a counter to 4-4-2(not for a couple of seasons now).