4-5-1V vs 4-1-2-1-2

I'm on my 4th season now, and this season starts with a bad game. My average players quality is at 35.5, whilst the opponent 22.9. He's using 4-1-2-1-2, while I countered with a 4-5-1V (which has work countering that formation for the past 3 seasons). All my players have superb moral and 99% Condition.

Somehow I just cannot fathom how I could loose to this player 12.6 quality below me by 1:3 with a working counter formation. Is it me or the game does have really random results at times?

He has countered your team with a narrow diamond formation its very strong against certain other formations whether your team is stronger or not 4-5-1v just is'nt consistant anymore . Also sometimes the league throws in a strange result it happens all the time Bro !!!

:(, you use 4-5-1 is not as good as 4-1-2-1-2

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Originally Posted by Castreal

I'm on my 4th season now, and this season starts with a bad game. My average players quality is at 35.5, whilst the opponent 22.9. He's using 4-1-2-1-2, while I countered with a 4-5-1V (which has work countering that formation for the past 3 seasons). All my players have superb moral and 99% Condition.

Somehow I just cannot fathom how I could loose to this player 12.6 quality below me by 1:3 with a working counter formation. Is it me or the game does have really random results at times?

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You could stop countering weaker teams, if their formations do not counter yours.
It looks like you've had it easy untill this level, i did not, so trust me, on the above.

And for future reference, the counter that i find is working right now against ND is 4-1-3W-2.
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This game is from CL, last night.
It was "ment" for me to lose (by the ****ty software), but i won.
Whay do i say that? All my good players got ****ty grades.
Almost the same players that won today 5-1 (away), in the cup, against a level 6 squad, with a bit better quality.

I've been having success with 3-1-4-2 against ND. 4-5-1 V somehow lost it's punch.

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Originally Posted by Castreal

I'm on my 4th season now, and this season starts with a bad game. My average players quality is at 35.5, whilst the opponent 22.9. He's using 4-1-2-1-2, while I countered with a 4-5-1V (which has work countering that formation for the past 3 seasons). All my players have superb moral and 99% Condition.

Somehow I just cannot fathom how I could loose to this player 12.6 quality below me by 1:3 with a working counter formation. Is it me or the game does have really random results at times?

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Oh how cute, a "working counter formation".... No such thing. Did you really expect to win because you "countered" his formation? Sorry but there is more to this game than just trying to counter a formation.

Weird. I almost always win against 4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond when using 4-5-1V. I don't use any arrows, and I play on normal settings. The only thing I really change when playing 4-5-1V is playing down on both flanks.

Yup, 4-5-1V is not as reliable anymore :( It was an attempt with reference to July Fourth's deleted thread on counter formations + my understanding of counter formations.

But I believe its mainly due to system randomness, whereby a 1-2 star defender can easily block acttacks from 6 Star attackers, and 3-Star forwards have no problem getting pass 5 star defenders and scoring goals against 6 star keepers. I was stunned watching the whole match, its like the system had mixed up my player stats versus opponent's stats.

@Eugen Cristea: Gonna feel ****ty huh if u were beaten by that other 1-3 star team? My jaw dropped looking at how the opponent's 3 star forward scored 2 goals against my (one-on-One) 6 star Keeper, and the other by a 4-star midfielder. Seriously made me think "why the heck do I even buy tokens"

@dv8r: I wasn't expecting to win SOLELY because I had a counter formation, but mainly because I have 12.6 Quality on average more (that's easily 2 star difference) than the opponent, with my good players on field with Superb Morale and 99% Condition.

@Incredipede: Same here. Its weird.

Try looking at the new table of counters.
They mostly work.

Never use 4-1-4-1 vs 4-3-3m that does not :)

Eugen Cristea

That was me, i was waiting to bid on a player on my wife's acc. :)

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So... Let me tell you about my CL game :)
He was playing ND, me 4-1-3W-2.
He scores from double corner...
I take to 1-3.
Then, he scores 2 goals.
I change to 4-5-1 V style, and score 2 more.

So i really dont know what works :))

Both 4-1-3W-2 and 4-5V-1 don't work consitent for me (FCK level 12). I tried both in the CL and got close matches (1 close loss, 1 close win) with having a slight quality advantage. There must be a better option, maybe something asymmetrical. The key is to find the right balance between blocking the center and attacking over the flanks when playing the system in higher levels.

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Originally Posted by Chris Rath

Both 4-1-3W-2 and 4-5V-1 don't work consitent for me (FCK level 12). I tried both in the CL and got close matches (1 close loss, 1 close win) with having a slight quality advantage. There must be a better option, maybe something asymmetrical. The key is to find the right balance between blocking the center and attacking over the flanks when playing the system in higher levels.

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Yup.
4-1-4-1 doesn't work.
I hate 4-4-2 so mutch, that i refuse to try it :)
(you kno how BMW oners are usualy shmuks? i think that of 4-4-2'ers) :cool:

So i had some good results in the cup last year with 4-2-3W-1...
I could try it, you should to, mabye we can find a new counter :)

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