Best way/(s) to play against 4-1-2-1-2 wide diamond...

[pcmacdaniel]

Just wondering, what approaches are best suited for playing against the wide diamond tactic?

[pcmacdaniel]

alright, I've got a match against the 4-1-2-1-2 Wide Diamond in a few hours, well like 6 hours. Its the cup final and opponent is 3 levels higher than me with a massive quality advantage. By massive quality, I mean i'm staring down nine 8* players!!!

Here's the thing to, I understand i'm probably going to lose regardless of what I do. His league match was early today, so all his players should be on max condition w/o investing in greens. I'm just wondering what setup would give the best odds in this situation, even if those odds are only a 5% chance at victory...

What approaches do other managers use against the wide diamond? I'm thinking a 4-3n-3 with normal mentality; however the dilemma is this: I've been outgunned on quality all tourney long, but not to this extreme extent and have been using an attacking mentality all tourney long. Should I just continue with attacking mentality, since has gotten me this far and if so what offensive setup would be best?

[Tactician]

I have noticed that you lost the match 1-0. I have lost the Champions League final this season against this formation.

We should work and find how to counter 4-1-2-1-2 wide diamond.

[pcmacdaniel]

I have noticed that you lost the match 1-0. I have lost the Champions League final this season against this formation.

We should work and find how to counter 4-1-2-1-2 wide diamond.

Sounds good.

I played against the wide diamond three times this season; also saw it the champions league semi-finals. Can't really provide any meaningful data, because I kept on changing my formation in the cup and 2nd CL semi-final match.

In the 1st CL match, I mirrored the wide diamond and escaped with a 2-1 win when my AMC scored in the 90th minute. 2nd leg, I came out in a 4-1-2n-3, I took an early 1-0 lead but changed formation since my opponent was launching counter-attacks like every 5 minutes; used 4-3n-3 and 4-1-3n-2 (ended up winning 4-0). As you saw on my cup match, I started 4-3n-3, but I was using musical formation. I had changed to a 4-3n-1-2, then 4-1-2n-3 (I think he scored against this) and also tried the 4-1-2-1-2 ND. To many different variables in a small sample size to really understand what happened.

Also in the case of the cup, its probably important to note his quality advantage made it so I might have lost regardless of what I did.

[Tactician]

I started with 4-5-1 V-style. The pressure was on my team. Later in the game, I switched to 4-1-2N-3, and my team conceeded a goal which was the only the goal of the game. I am disappointed though because I think for this level of the game, I should have won it. The opponent was weaker than my team, but this maybe just visual as I suspect something like percentage efficiency in this game. My ST and AML was at scout level (6 stars) and AML was at world class level (7 stars), but they failed to trouble the opponent; they were 'absent' from the game.

[Pavol Cik]

I started with 4-5-1 V-style. The pressure was on my team. Later in the game, I switched to 4-1-2N-3, and my team conceeded a goal which was the only the goal of the game. I am disappointed though because I think for this level of the game, I should have won it. The opponent was weaker than my team, but this maybe just visual as I suspect something like percentage efficiency in this game. My ST and AML was at scout level (6 stars) and AML was at world class level (7 stars), but they failed to trouble the opponent; they were 'absent' from the game.

yes,4-5-1 V is the best counter this,normal,flanks,and short pass,I beat stronger opponent 2 times...

[Tactician]

yes,4-5-1 V is the best counter this,normal,flanks,and short pass,I beat stronger opponent 2 times...

Not for the wide version. I lost 1-0.

[pcmacdaniel]

I started with 4-5-1 V-style. The pressure was on my team. Later in the game, I switched to 4-1-2N-3, and my team conceeded a goal which was the only the goal of the game. I am disappointed though because I think for this level of the game, I should have won it. The opponent was weaker than my team, but this maybe just visual as I suspect something like percentage efficiency in this game. My ST and AML was at scout level (6 stars) and AML was at world class level (7 stars), but they failed to trouble the opponent; they were 'absent' from the game.

My oops moment of the champions league. I accidentally left my cup specialist in goal and starter among the inactives.

My cup specialist (42Q) got a better match rating than my opponents goalie (86Q) and made just as many saves (3). I was laughing hysterically that my guy, whose has 9 less stars of quality, morale in the red and just played a league match (draining condition), outplayed his counterpart; and also relieved my massive error didn't cost me a champions league crown.

Yes, there is definitely a visual component to a players quality. Also, my goalie outplaying his in a champions league final is utterly ridiculous!!!

[Tactician]

My oops moment of the champions league. I accidentally left my cup specialist in goal and starter among the inactives.

My cup specialist (42Q) got a better match rating than my opponents goalie (86Q) and made just as many saves (3). I was laughing hysterically that my guy, whose has 9 less stars of quality, morale in the red and just played a league match (draining condition), outplayed his counterpart; and also relieved my massive error didn't cost me a champions league crown.

Yes, there is definitely a visual component to a players quality. Also, my goalie outplaying his in a champions league final is utterly ridiculous!!!

Was your opponent watching the game? If yes, he must be 'pissed' by the GK thing.

[pcmacdaniel]

nope, he didn't watch it.

I was pissed at myself for awhile, but lucky a late rally let me laugh it off....