Need to get offensive against 4-3N-2W-1

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12-03-2015
TiagoNBA

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Need to get offensive against 4-3N-2W-1

It's a formation I face quite often. I usualy use a 4-5-1 flat with arrows on wingers. This time I dumbly followed table of counter-formations and played 4-4-1-1, losing 3-1 at home against a weaker team (I'm 40, he's 35). Now I need to overcome this result in the second leg (champions league) so I need to win by 3. I think the AMC is essential since he has no DMC, so I am thinking either 4-3N-1-2 (not too fond of it though because RW is my star) or a rather offensive 3W-3N-3W-1. Anyone has other suggestions? I'm usually more conservative but I gotta go all-in now. What instructions are better with these formations?

Below you can see how unfortunate I was to lose:

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They made 3 goals in 10 minutes during the first half...

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12-03-2015
Kylos

Never had a problem using 4-4-1-1 vs 4-3n-2w-1... What orders did you use?
12-03-2015
TiagoNBA

Attacking, Mixed, Mixed, Low, Normal, Zone, Counter: On, Offside: Off. Red Arrows on Wingers and Striker.

Maybe I would be better off with through both flanks? But problem was mainly D, which by the way is my strongest sector.
12-03-2015
Kylos

You could try 4-4-1-1 normal mentality, down the flanks, mixed/long balls, counter on. red arrows on ML/R.
12-03-2015
El Pistolero

Don't play down flanks. He has 4 each side and you have AMC. Mixed was the right thing to do.

Playing attacking with counter was a problem. He barely had possession yet still matched you. This tells me he countered you.
Don't put arrows on your strikers. It messes them up.
12-03-2015
TiagoNBA

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

Don't put arrows on your strikers. It messes them up.

Duly noted.

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Originally Posted by Kylos

You could try 4-4-1-1 normal mentality, down the flanks, mixed/long balls, counter on. red arrows on ML/R.

That should be ok if it was 0-0 again, but I have to think offensively now. Isn't this too conservative for that effect?
12-03-2015
Brian Dang

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Originally Posted by TiagoNBA

It's a formation I face quite often. I usualy use a 4-5-1 flat with arrows on wingers. This time I dumbly followed table of counter-formations and played 4-4-1-1, losing 3-1 at home against a weaker team (I'm 40, he's 35). Now I need to overcome this result in the second leg (champions league) so I need to win by 3. I think the AMC is essential since he has no DMC, so I am thinking either 4-3N-1-2 (not too fond of it though because RW is my star) or a rather offensive 3W-3N-3W-1. Anyone has other suggestions? I'm usually more conservative but I gotta go all-in now. What instructions are better with these formations?

Below you can see how unfortunate I was to lose:

Attachment 58553

They made 3 goals in 10 minutes during the first half...

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Last season..I used this..
Quality about the same 4 both teams..I finished 1st and he 3rd...
Tactic n order: Start with Normal (unless U could not score at 1st half then change to Attacking)/down both flanks/short passing/own half pressing/normal tackle/no offside/no counter
Red arrows on AML/AMR if u dont score...
P/s: Dont mistaken that U must attacking then u can win...as long as your team better quality..u dont need be rushed...
Besides, U also can always used 4-4-1-1 ...red arrows on 2 flanks and AMC..normal also...same order in above...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...076ded64af678f
Good luck,bro
12-03-2015
Kylos

I play defensive mentality and get goals galore.. I think it depends on the players form and orders of the team... Normal mentality for me would be a safer option as your opponent is probably going to sit back and defend his lead...
12-03-2015
Stefanut Stefanut

What orders to use for 4-4-1-1 ?

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

Don't play down flanks. He has 4 each side and you have AMC. Mixed was the right thing to do.

Playing attacking with counter was a problem. He barely had possession yet still matched you. This tells me he countered you.
Don't put arrows on your strikers. It messes them up.
12-03-2015
Stefanut Stefanut

for 4-4-1-1 why down both flanks and don't use mixed ?

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Originally Posted by Brian Dang

Last season..I used this..
Quality about the same 4 both teams..I finished 1st and he 3rd...
Tactic n order: Start with Normal (unless U could not score at 1st half then change to Attacking)/down both flanks/short passing/own half pressing/normal tackle/no offside/no counter
Red arrows on AML/AMR if u dont score...
P/s: Dont mistaken that U must attacking then u can win...as long as your team better quality..u dont need be rushed...
Besides, U also can always used 4-4-1-1 ...red arrows on 2 flanks and AMC..normal also...same order in above...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...076ded64af678f
Good luck,bro
12-03-2015
El Pistolero

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Originally Posted by Stefanut Stefanut

What orders to use for 4-4-1-1 ?

I don't use 4-4-1-1 so I can't say I've ever tested it but I would play

Normal mentality
Short passing
Mixed
Own half
Normal tackling
Zonal marking
No counter
No offside
No arrows
12-05-2015
Stefanut Stefanut

Why short ?

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

I don't use 4-4-1-1 so I can't say I've ever tested it but I would play

Normal mentality
Short passing
Mixed
Own half
Normal tackling
Zonal marking
No counter
No offside
No arrows
12-05-2015
El Pistolero

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Originally Posted by Stefanut Stefanut

Why short ?

With an AMC sitting in between your ST and your MCs players are in close proximity. Added onto that, you have 5 players in midfield.
You CAN use mixed but why waste possession when you can keep the ball and create lots of chances at the same time.
12-06-2015
Stefanut Stefanut

And for 4-2-3-1 ? Thanks !!
12-06-2015
El Pistolero

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Originally Posted by Stefanut Stefanut

And for 4-2-3-1 ? Thanks !!

I haven't worked out that formation yet so I don't know about orders. I'd assume short passing would work great but I've seen people recommend mixed/long with it. Sorry.
12-06-2015
Stefanut Stefanut

And for 4-3W-1-2 , same orders , right ?

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

I don't use 4-4-1-1 so I can't say I've ever tested it but I would play

Normal mentality
Short passing
Mixed
Own half
Normal tackling
Zonal marking
No counter
No offside
No arrows
12-06-2015
El Pistolero

I would probably change to attacking, press high, mixed passing.

Quite an attacking formation, doesn't offer a lot in defence.
12-06-2015
Stefanut Stefanut

Thanks man !!
12-06-2015
Stefanut Stefanut

I lost a lot against that formation ... :(
12-06-2015
El Pistolero

Let me know how you get on
12-07-2015
TiagoNBA

I played 4-4-1-1
Normal, Mixed, Mixed, Counter On, Low, Normal, Zone, Offside Off.
I had 2-0 advantage and took 2-1 at 60 min. In the last 20 mins
I did a final push (to tie it with 3-1) replacing the defender with another AMC so 3W-4-2-1 with Intensive Attacking, Mixed, Mixed, Counter Off, High pressure, Hard tackling, Man-to-Man and Offside On. The game ended 2-1... My big mistake was the first round, I have learnt and hopefully next season I my CL campaign will be better.