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it's just random it seems, playing indentical games doesn't yield any logic at all...
i played a game against a 4-4-2 side i am much stronger compared too using also 4-4-2. lost, no way of reaching a chance to score.
has anyone found a solution or is 4-4-2 simply overrrated?
I play 4-5-1 v & i can not remember the last time i´ve lost to a 4-4-2 formation.
ok, i'll try that once again!
lost all too easily mate concedeing four goals in the process. tactic is simply overrated if you are not 5 points stronger.
No. It is 4-5-1(V) that is overrated. :p
I have sent you one set of tactics in your forum inbox. Try that and report back here, but keep the set for yourself. Just say if it worked or not.
Can you send me that tactic too? I have struggled vs 4-4-2 with random results as well. Thanks in advance!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
I dont think that it's too hard to beat, 3 central attackers vs 2 central defenders.
Theoretically you could even do a formation with 2 DCMs on the wings, or just play 3 at the back and AMC and 2 strikers to overpower their defence.
Personally what I do is change my tactics, and study their players and make a plan of attack that way, I generally keep the same formation.
I also struggle eveytime i play against 4-4-2.
I lost in the league today 4-1. My team is 100% is team was 94% and i played 3-4-1-2.
Any advice would be gratefully appreciated.
I think defensive counter long passes 451v would be very good as 442 doesn't have DMC s
If things weren't good during the first half( losing) , then try to switch it just normal tactics.
4-4-2 sometimes make it difficult to beat. Whenever I face 4-4-2 I switch my formation to 4-3MC-1AMC-2 ST with red arrows on DL and DR, Attacking, through the middle, mixed passing, counter on, defending low, marking zonal, tackling normal and offside trap Off. This formation always give me better result.
You may try 3n-2(DMR/DML)-2-2(AMR/AML)-1 if you have suitable players. My teams played extremely well against teams with 4-4-2 in last 2 seasons.
3W-2dmc-3W-amc-st is best against 4-4-2.
Attacking,low press backward arrow in dl and dr.
The difficult aspect of playing against a 4-4-2 is, its the most difficult tactic to figure out the opponents arrows and orders. With some formations it's obvious where the attack is coming from. For example, a 4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond is passing through the middle, but a 4-1-2-1-2 WD is going down the flanks. With the 4-4-2, the opponent can choose to attack the flanks or the middle, and can change it in match w/o any substitutions.
Now, there are some ways to guess your opponents arrows. For example, check the goal production for his wingers and central midfielders. If the MC's are outproducing his wingers, most likely he has red arrows on the MC"s and is passing through the middle.
Generally speaking, the 4-4-2 is weak in the middle, so a 4-1-2-1-2 ND or 4-3n-1-2 is a viable strategy for countering a 4-4-2. Please note, that its easier to hard counter the 4-4-2 with the narrow formations, if your opponent is attacking the middle, instead of using the MC's as holding mids (blue arrows) and passing down the flanks. But even if your opposition is doing that, you have numerical superiority in the middle and an uncovered AMC.
If he's defending the middle, a 4-3w-3/4-3w-1-2/4-3w-2n-1 are also viable strategies, since you have more firepower on offense than him; basically turning the match into a battle of whose wingers, attacking mids and strikers can score more, and with these formations you have one extra body actively involved in the offense.
3n-4-1-2 is another formation that works well against the 4-4-2.
If you're unsure of a particular strategy you can either mirror the 4-4-2 or use a 4-2-2-2 hexagon. I've been using the hexagon, which is more offense than the 4-4-2, with AML/AMR instead of ML/MR. But my team is strong for my level as well, so player quality advantages are helping me as well.
4-5-1V/4-3n-2w-1 if you have REALLY GOOD AML and AMR is another option. Currently, alot of players have VERY GOOD AML and AMR since the position is OP relative to ST"s currently, so I would definitely recommend considering formations with those players.
i won two times against a much weaker team and without ease. doesn't matter, game is peace of **** anyway, without any connection to football.
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Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
ok, it seems this works against 4-4-2, perhaps we solved our problem. there are others too, let''s do some different threads!
now lost easily against a similar strength team. tactics perhaps broken already. any new ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
I no longer help people significantly to play this '****' game. I gave you a decent template. You cannot use this template exactly as it is for every match; some tweaks are likely to be required, for example, changing one or more orders to make the the set of tactics more appropriate with respect to the opponent to be faced.
I gave a very good advice on this forum here: never do things blindly, that is, do not just 'copy and paste' things without knowing what they do, how they work and so on. This advice applies to real life situations too, and in fact, it is very important there.
MC could be blued so that he'll drop back in place of DMC so not exactly "no DMC" 😇Quote:
Originally Posted by Medo zalata
Training bonuses, win bonus, condition, morale; training bonuses being the big one. A team with poor tactics which maxes their bonuses will usually beat a team with good tactics but isn't managing their bonuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoran Vitas
i agree that is important to watch games in order to do this, but tactics are above any importance. and this is where the game becomes a bit of a mess.
Never use 4-5-1 V, i'm 88% ****ed vs 4-4-2 classic at least 20-25 times even i have good form AMR/AML and more shoot, more possession i still find it difficult to defeat enemy defends whether they are weaker or stronger and always concede stupid goals.
i won today 6 : 2 w 43n12 first half normal settings. was 3:2 second half high press and hard tackling down arrows on all defenders . he was 1+ level 5% stronger present. If you are facing weaker team i would go w 352f, vs same quality 3142 and vs stronger i would go with atleast 4 defenders, the formation i used 41212nd or 32221 butterfly
3w-5-2. i kill them with it! low press, mix pass, on offside, on c.attk.
Send me the tactics
i think it depends on your command / strategy to your players. 4-4-2 is a balance formation, maybe you could set another balance formation to beat them. But, once again, it depends on your oppo strategy. if you set hard attack (wherever your formation is) and your 4-4-2 oppo set defend with countre attack, maybe you will conceded by their countre attack scheme.
I agree with you!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
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This season I used with success both formations from below , first vs stronger teams.
4 1 3(ml/mr mc mc) amc st or 2st , up arrows:
ML/mr mc mc dmc
Down arrows: for st , dcr and dr ,
passing on middle,
Try 4-4-1-1, seems to work for a few of us :)